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Anonymous05/13/26, 20:39No.288080144FRIEREN HAS AWFUL WORLDBUILDING
>fantasy medieval world
They created a world more idyllic and perfect than any Tolkien book.
Somehow:
>all aesthetics are of germanic 19th century cities and burgs, yet they have no factories because early industrialization would make people think
>everyone is ultra nice, even the bloody exam between the most fearsome wizards is just a pillow fight
>monopoly company is actually run by kind people struggling
>there is no human-human violence addressed
>there is no politics addressed
>every faction is just good and trying their best
>there is no corruption
>no human-to-human violence
>no rape
>no hostility
>no lies
>no crime
>no genocide
Fullmetal Alchemistad all of these themes, including a layer of complexity with the powerful nation being responsible for awful crimes against innocent people. Frieren just refuses to do it.
Read Berserk or Game of Thrones, then read the Frieren manga. Why is everyone a sexless kind old sage? Is this intended for 10 years old children?
FMA, One Piece, Naruto never shied away from the dark of mankind. Even Fruits Basket is darker.
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Anon05/13/26, 20:42No.288080210
Frieren is like someone watched Berserk, then decided to make a Christmas version of it.
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Anon05/13/26, 20:42No.288080214
The story isn't about edgelord world building. For someone so invested you really missed the point.
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Anon05/13/26, 20:42No.288080215
>Is this intended for 10 years old children?
yes, that's what shonen is
you're sperging out over your own ignorance
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Anon05/13/26, 20:46No.288080282
the world is a backdrop for a story about humanity, life and death, the passage of time and the importance of human connection - the irony of course of it being told through the eyes of an Elf is part of the charm. Also half your list is fundamentally untrue and i feel like this is just a shitty bait thread that ive fallen for.
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Anon05/13/26, 20:46No.288080291
>>there is no human-human violence addressed
>>there is no politics addressed
it's a story, not an encyclopedia
you're only shown the parts of the world that are relevant, this is the most basic of basic storytelling concepts
>Fullmetal Alchemistad all of these themes
politics and the people in power were an important part of FMA's plotline, this is not the case in Frieren which is why it's not addressed
Berserk and GoT/ASOIAF are pure schlock with no redeeming qualities
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Anon05/13/26, 20:48No.288080319
Is the hiatus over?
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Anon05/13/26, 20:49No.288080355
>>all aesthetics are of germanic 19th century cities and burgs, yet they have no factories because early industrialization would make people think
so? it's fiction, it doesn't have to represent real life
are you retarded?
>everyone is ultra nice
I can see why this would be surprising to some brown kid who has only experienced life in the third world
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Anon05/13/26, 20:56No.288080515
>Friereddit
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Anon05/13/26, 21:29No.288081228
>Worldbuilding must have rape
>Worldbuilding must have genocide
>Worldbuilding must have grimdarkThat’s just not the kind of story Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End is trying to tell. In fact there being so little dark elements makes it more impactful when there is, like when when the demon child killed the human family that tried raising it to be a good person thus revealing to the audience that demons are inherently evil. If that happened constantly it there wouldn’t be any room for characters to be autistically awkdorable.
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Anon05/13/26, 21:31No.288081255
not everything has to be about world building retard
the world doesnt matter here, this is a study of character
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Anon05/13/26, 21:44No.288081512
Not defending Frieren because it sucks, but
>Even Fruits Basket is darker
obviously. The main gimmick in that series is a stand in for social isolation stemming from domestic abuse related trauma. Being dark comes with the subject matter.
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Anon05/13/26, 21:49No.288081598
>good worldbuilding
>hero's party
>demon lord
yeah no. the only reason this was popular because of some strange judeo christian grift.
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Anon05/13/26, 21:50No.288081620
I wouldn't say it has shit world building. Because that would imply it has world building at all.
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Anon05/13/26, 21:58No.288081789
>I don't actually read anything: the post
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Anon05/13/26, 22:15No.288082156
>Berserk
>circular city.png
Why would I read native isekai?
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Anon05/13/26, 22:29No.288082413
>Unable to understand Frieren
OP, it's not that deep. You're overthinking it.
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Anon05/13/26, 22:29No.288082422
>muh world building
when will you idiots realize that a world exists for its story, not the other way around
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Anon05/13/26, 22:39No.288082588
>“What was Aragorn’s tax policy?” - the post
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Anon05/13/26, 22:40No.288082600
You think One Piece has peak world building? Then explain Goroseis tax policy nigga
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Anon05/13/26, 22:42No.288082640
If you would read the manga, you wouldn't make this thread.
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Anon05/13/26, 22:47No.288082723
>muh stakes
Have a salad you fat fuck.
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Anon05/13/26, 22:55No.288082843
There are some corrupt politicians appearing in S3.
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Anon05/13/26, 22:58No.288082877
Since you cited ASOIAF, think of the Mountain.To know if your world is authentic, the Mountain needs to be able to exist in it:>immense and powerful guy who shoved his little brother's face in the fire because he wanted his toy
>became armed as a knight a year later, with honor
>become henchman of a lord paramount that acts like a scheming mafia lord and does all the dirty work for that lord
>ordered to start a sack in a city with 50 thousand people
>kill the heir's children as ordered by your boss, then rape her then kill her
>years later, ordered to start sacking the towns of innocent peasants while disguised, to put pressure on the new royal first minister and make him fluke because the first minister's wife randomly kidnapped the Mountain's boss's son
>years later, chosen to be the champion of the boss's daughter because the boss's heroic son supposedly murdered his corrupt nephew who tortures women
>defending that hero is a charismatic good guy who wields a spear
>the Mountain defeats the good guy, then crushes his head while everyone watches
>the hero is then sentenced to be beheaded, all his tricks exhaustedThe Mountain exists in Berserk. The Mountain exists in One Piece.The Mountain can't exist in Frieren, because no evil super rapist hyper violent henchman autist could exist. He'd have to be a demon, and demons are only man-eating monsters who lie to get ahead.
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Anon05/13/26, 23:12No.288083095
This thread smells like cheap vodka and broken sewer pipes. I think OP is projecting.
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Anon05/13/26, 23:33No.288083438
Wasn't there a massacre of nobles prior to the start of the series? Frieren's world feels barebones because a lot of shit happened in the past.
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Anon05/13/26, 23:36No.288083488
Frieren writing sucks because everything is told in flashback sob stories. It only works when Frieren is reminiscing about her dead wife trope. Can they finally show demon niggers doing shit instead of iuuuu they raped my setpiece :(((
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Anon05/13/26, 23:45No.288083651
You expect too much from a basic-ass SoL that got popular on accident
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Anon05/14/26, 00:01No.288083924
I don't care.
Post cute elves.
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Anon05/14/26, 00:08No.288084044
That's not the point of the story
It's shit on purpose
You didn't understand it
It's le deep and about human emotions and time or whatever
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Anon05/14/26, 00:09No.288084078
>Even Fruits Basket is darker
Fruits Basket is darker than most of the shonen you listed.
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Anon05/14/26, 00:12No.288084129
The word 'medieval' is a mind virus and people should stop applying it to every fantasy world they see.
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Anon05/14/26, 00:25No.288084356
back in my time we call it the "slice of life" genre. they are just a wholesome comfy manga that you can turn your brain off and relax reading them. if you want blood and gore and human scumbaggery you can switch to "dark fantasy"
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Anon05/14/26, 00:28No.288084411
Frieren is an exploration of what the world could be like if it was made up entirely of white people.
Demons represent jews and brownoids and kill, destroy and ruin everything they can simply because it is their nature.
Frieren teaches us that if we want an idealic world, we too must destroy the demons.
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Anon05/14/26, 00:34No.288084527
>she walks a lot
>her legs are sturdy
if that's not worldbuilding, I don't know what is.
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Anon05/14/26, 01:54No.288085720
All three characters in pic related are war orphans
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Anon05/14/26, 01:57No.288085756
>we don't spend entire scenes to show characters pissing and defecating behind a bush
You know what, I agree with OP. We are missing important world building.
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Anon05/14/26, 02:03No.288085844
what's the point of worldbuilding?
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Anon05/14/26, 03:22No.288086903
>all aesthetics are german 19th century yet no factory
not all aesthetics are german or 19th century
>everyone is ultra nice, even the bloody exam is just a pillow fight
except for stark's father and the king that wanted to kill himmel party for a slight, people get killed by demons inside the bubble
>monopoly company is run by kind people struggling
so what ?
>there is no human-human violence addressed
it's implied there were and still might be wars
>there is no politics addressed
yes there is
>no human-to-human violence
king wants to kill himmel for slight, ubel entraps criminals and then kills them
>no rape
>no hostility
>no lies
>no crime
>no genocide
is op mentally handicapped or is he baiting to get (you)s ?
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Anon05/14/26, 03:30No.288087016
Frierensissies...
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Anon05/14/26, 03:37No.288087098
>no human-to-human violence
Literally the reason Fern is an oprhan.
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Anon05/14/26, 03:46No.288087224
Sure, but you missed the part where nobody gives a single flying fuck about worldbuilding, other than some mentally ill people around, but nobody care about them either.
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Anon05/14/26, 04:26No.288087745
They're traveling to the north, not the south. If you want violent, rapey low IQ niggers, they'd have to go south, just like in our real world. But up north everyone is white and thus good.
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Anon05/14/26, 04:58No.288088107
>wall of reddit tier text
Don't care op.
It makes lefties seethe so it's based
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Anon05/14/26, 08:01No.288090067
Have not watched the show but aren't mages in that really powerful?
Is there a lore reason why magic users have not seized power and rule as god-kings?
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Anon05/14/26, 08:24No.288090280
>FRIEREN HAS AWFUL WORLDBUILDINGWhen it comes to anime, you gotta lower your standards. We're talking about a medium where JoJo shows could get 9/10 here FFS!
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Anon05/14/26, 08:29No.288090315
kill yourself op. good worldbuilding≠complex worldbuilding; zoomers really are more retarded than the old anime community
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Anon05/14/26, 08:33No.288090340
>When the worldbuilding doesn't have many complex names and locations with different political and economic systems and is only a background with creative elements where the series about characters interacting makes the characters interact
every day, frieren is more similar to eva, a literacy test
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Anon05/14/26, 09:08No.288090684
>the most defining charateristic of 2/3 of your main cast is a dead pan face, this isn't even a joke
>The extend of their character goes as far as: Frieren likes spells and Himmel, le mimic/late to wake up joke, food, and getting irrationally angry at the one man/matress of the show
>power system that one day works as a DnD magic system with established spells across eons, the next day some spells go out of fashion so we can have a shocking moment
>world has a bunch of heroes, while excluding demons the greatest threat to a random village is a wolf pack
>the MC's main goal was stated to learn to appreciate her current companions, has barely any meaningful connection/interactions with them past the first couple episodes, fingers herself to Himmel 24/7 instead.
It's just a cozy adventure where people beat their meat to the elf or the fat bitch, nothing more or less.
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Anon05/14/26, 10:04No.288091285
>anon mad that the fantasy manga about a tourist roaming around the country doing tourist stuff isn't focused on the local politics and drama
back to work on winds of winter, george
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Anon05/14/26, 10:05No.288091293
I think Frieren has really shitty worldbuilding as well, but at least half your points aren't true as of the latest manga chapter.
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Anon05/14/26, 10:08No.288091329
>reddit spacing daily bait thread
>it works
Kino
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Anon05/14/26, 10:12No.288091361
>you can't just have a nice idyllic fantasy world!
Why not?
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Anon05/14/26, 10:59No.288091737
youre thinking about game of thrones
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Anon05/14/26, 11:26No.288091988
The humans are still recovering from being nearly wiped out by the demons. They are a third of what they used to be. That massively impacts human interactions and relationships in their world.
>>there is no human-human violence addressed
??
>>there is no politics addressed
??
>>every faction is just good and trying their best
>>there is no corruption
???
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Anon05/14/26, 11:39No.288092123
Hi my name is OP and I've never played Dragon Quest
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Anon05/14/26, 11:48No.288092216
How do the nobles declare divine right to rule in this setting?
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Anon05/14/26, 12:12No.288092494
best part of Frieren's worldbuilding is it btfo'ing all the troonimai troons during 2023 AotY poll
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Anon05/14/26, 13:19No.288093400
>The entire premise is reflecting on the past and slice-of-life wandering
>"mUh dEeP lOrE!"
Mouth-breather.
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Anon05/14/26, 13:23No.288093455
LotR had both ~19 century english countryside and early medieval europe in the same setting
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Anon05/14/26, 13:41No.288093705
>>>/b/ [//boards.4chan.org/b/]
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Anon05/14/26, 13:59No.288093982
It's like it was written by an AI
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Anon05/14/26, 14:03No.288094040
there are no nigs there and jews are treated as a different species, of course all humans are nice and friendly
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Anon05/14/26, 14:11No.288094154
They also have fancy parfaits in a small town on the dangerous Northern Plateau for some inexplicable reason.
But you're correct, I've been thinking the same things when watching the show. No conflicts between humans, the only dangers are demons, dragons, and the weather.
While in the beginning it felt interesting because it was simply different - you get tired of the same grimdark shit after while - in the end it started to feel like lazy and superficial worldbuilding.
But it makes sense, a boring world is perfect for boring characters being boring.
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Anon05/14/26, 14:13No.288094182
I just watched it because it was weird to have a #1 in mal that was not a shitty battle shonen, the anime was ok and kinda average just like to the stuff I watch, but it surprises me that normies love it so much
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Anon05/14/26, 14:25No.288094354
"worldbuilding" is fucking trash the only people who care about "worldbuilding" are overly-indulged autistic man-children
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Anon05/14/26, 14:30No.288094435
american post. Only they get this asshurt when people act nice in fiction
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Anon05/14/26, 14:31No.288094454
You're retarded on so many levels that it's actually impressive.
LOTR is literally a post-apocalyptic world, where half the continent is gone and most of the landmass is barren. The population has been utter decimated, most of the kingdoms are gone or have been reduced to almost nothing, most of the races are either dying out or leaving the world, and there is a supernatural evil that's on the verge of taking over the world.
Aside from The Shire, which is painted as somewhat idyllic, but still rife with petty bickering, gossip and theft, every other good thing in LOTR is something that's a relic of long gone era.
Also, Naruto? How fucking gay are you?
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Anon05/14/26, 14:43No.288094611
>What was Hero Himmel's tax policy?
lol
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Anon05/14/26, 14:57No.288094812
When you don't>why doesn't Fern hold any grievance with mankind
>why doesn't Stark
>why Serie accepts fucking headpats, thus duminishing any villain aspect to her. She owns all power on Earth, she should eant to take over and become a goddess for them
>why is the dangerous old fox imperial mage actually a nice old man who goes through a violent test to see his wife's grave
>who is checking if a travelling party has one of the 45 rank 1 mages so they are allowed to travel (no one)
>who even makes those rules and why should we obey them
>why a post-apocalyptic demon-infested North has villages with no walls, nice people who make the Shire look grimdark
>supposedly, it is cold in the North and full with demons. Why aren't there coal mines, refugees fleeing by the millions to the south and causing political instability
>why doesn't the Norm Company enforce their monopoly over roads and logistics, thry don't even rebuild bridges
>why aren't the mages simply taking over power from weak kings who draw their power from nothing, by simple mandate of might makes right?
>why are there cute shops and cafeterias in wartorn lands
>where is all the crime (no, Ubel mentioning she killed some criminals doesn't count. Naruto had ninjas dealing with nukenins in episode 4, One Piece and FMA in episode 1. Frieren runs away from the implicatiom that magic can be used to overpower and lord over the innocent)
>where is all the murder
>why even have feudalism whem everything is gay and safe and an inner Japan city. Feudalism is an extreme economic system when the only safety people find is in the land of warlords, thus everyone is an indentured helpless serf
>why sre there fancy balls in the North while demons are still warring, aren't the people starving and suffering. Why are nobles holding balls for their dead sons who just died in war a few days beforeI can go on.This is not worldbuilding, it is basic action and reaction. The world of Frieren is an MMORPG, static.
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Anon05/14/26, 14:58No.288094838
The big issue with Frieren's worldbuilding is that everything falls apart with close inspection. The magic stops making sense, the enemies stop making sense, the world stops making sense. Is the type of story that demands of you to not look closer.
That said, I don't think Frieren is bad, just shallow.
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Anon05/14/26, 15:04No.288094934
As soon as you hear words like "demon lord", "party", "hero" you can expect shit writing and should not be surprised about it.
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Anon05/14/26, 15:10No.288095025
>whaaaaa why isn't this fantasy hyper realistic instead of focusing on doing it's own thing
Fucking idiot.
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Anon05/14/26, 15:12No.288095073
Almost all fantasy manga with medieval world settings have awful world buildings. Blame the authors for not doing their research.
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Anon05/14/26, 15:25No.288095241
World building is like a disney parody ffs.
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Anon05/14/26, 15:43No.288095469
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Anon05/14/26, 16:04No.288095748
Notice how it's always the Frieren threads that are always full of the most retarded bait?
The most bad-faith, misanthropic garbage?
>muh world building isn't anti humanity enough
>muh story is too anti evil, that's racist
>muh story is "unrealistic" and "bad" because it's incompatible with the wretched worldview that those people want you to hold
>muh story is too black and white, don't they know that in reality everyone is morally complicated and good guys are actually evil and bad guys good, sometimes?
>don't they know that humans are the real monsters that rape and kill uncontrollably?I wonder what about frieren specifically attracts this absolutely organic discussion...
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Anon05/14/26, 16:19No.288095991
Watching/reading generic jap fantasy slop is really really hard after reading some actually good fantasy/scifi books
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Anon05/14/26, 16:33No.288096184
the virgin "let's discuss Frieren's worldbuilding"
the chad "FUCK FRIEREN... IN THE ASS"
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Anon05/14/26, 16:50No.288096479
>wah wah this fantasy world must be SICK AND DEGENERATE
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Anon05/14/26, 17:18No.288097030
culo Frieren
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Anon05/14/26, 17:28No.288097192
Filtered
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Anon05/14/26, 17:37No.288097348
turns out it isnt very good
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Anon05/14/26, 17:43No.288097448
>panoramic view of generic fantasy location that looks like any other place in the show
>bland ahh name that will never be brought up again
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Anon05/14/26, 18:10No.288097818
cant believe people watch frieren for the plot, I thought we were all just masturbating to the big fat girl
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Anon05/14/26, 18:11No.288097832
I just like the silly elf, simple as
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Anon05/14/26, 18:22No.288097975
Isn't the whole point that the world is in a relatively peaceful period now since the demon lord got killed?
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Anon05/14/26, 18:30No.288098110
please OP get a job
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Anon05/14/26, 19:41No.288099458
99.99% of mangas have no world building. I can name in two hands how many even fucking try. In the absolute vast majority of mangas you dont even know two basic things about the planet they inhabit, countries, system or literally anything and the rest are just lazy settings that is just some moderm/90s version of Tokyo or ancient Japan. No matter what people say fantasy is fucking hard, let alone trying to design an entire worls from the ground up with factions, systems, lore etc etc. As far as shonen goes for example, theres a reason no shonen tries to replicate one piece despite it being the biggest manga of all time, its not like authors dont want to replicate it, its that they cant
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Anon05/14/26, 20:08No.288099880
>there is no corruption
>no human-to-human violence
>no rape
>no hostility
>no lies
>no crime
>no genocide
Have you considered that this may not really be what the story is about?
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Anon05/14/26, 20:16No.288100048
Standard defense of Frieren:
>why are you questioning the story, this is an anime about characters
>wait, don't question the charactersFrieren is the only anime that gets worse, the more you think about it. It is masterful animation, music and direction at the service of nothing.
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Anon05/14/26, 21:31No.288101359
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Anon05/14/26, 21:35No.288101448
Wrong. Macht arc already introduces some manner of political plot and the current Serie assassination arc pushes that even further. It´s just slow, which is one of Frieren´s strong points.To tell you the truth i don´t really care about any of that. Even though i´m usually a story driven person i watch Frieren for the day to day stuff in between those big events. I like to see Frieren oversleep, and Fern over eat, i like to see them stopping by and just helping people with menial task like cleaning stuff or building bridges. Not that the other stuff is not good, just saying it´s not the focus for me.
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Anon05/14/26, 22:24No.288102336
Whenever I hear anyone say the word "worldbuilding" I just immediately stop paying attention to that person and consider them subhuman by default.
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Anon05/15/26, 00:27No.288104667
Drop me in that world next to Frieren and they'll have their first rapist
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Anon05/15/26, 00:43No.288104870
The North shouldnt have le empire as it was the hotspot for demon populations meaning the worst place for humans to even exist in.
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Anon05/15/26, 00:50No.288104964
Frieren is one of those fantasy settings that simply has no electrical power(which should be impossible a mages can literally create it so they would understand it faster than us IRL)
Early electrical tech and industrial tech kills the fantasy vibe I guess
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Anon05/15/26, 00:52No.288104992
I agree with OP we still dont know Wilbels kingdom or Ubels
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Anon05/15/26, 01:09No.288105179
Seeing an elf that has lived for hundreds of years finally start showing some semblance of emotion and seeing her suffer the consequences from being oblivious to the passage of time was alluring at the start, but the novelty quickly wears off.
Frieren doesn't require complex worldbuilding for the story it's trying to tell, but there's no reason to overextend it either. A movie would have been a much more better fit than a serialized manga.
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Anon05/15/26, 03:23No.288106904
Counterpoint. It features a fat girl with big titties, which remedies all its problems.
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Anon05/15/26, 07:44No.288109788
Why do browns hate Frieren so much?Just because it doesn't remind you of your favela doesn't mean it isn't good.
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Anon05/15/26, 07:49No.288109821
Yeaah bro Europe has been ssooo peaceful. Same with China, no violence at all.
Fuck off
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Anon05/15/26, 08:04No.288109936
>why is this dragon quest inspired fantasy manga's world so dragon questy instead of game of thrones
Because Frieren is a Dragon Quest manga in a pair of groucho marx glasses to avoid the licensing fee.
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Anon05/15/26, 11:07No.288111739
>if a story doesn't have rape, murder, political scheming front and center it's bad!
>what was Himmels tax policy?
The damage George R Martin and his work caused is irreversible, God damn
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Anon05/15/26, 11:14No.288111793
Frieren has sloppy world building thats made up as the story progresses but the story is good.MT has good world building but a terribly cringe story with mid girls and a fag protagonist people only like because of counter culture.Isekais don't have either.Therefore, Code Geass remains the LoTR of anime.
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Anon05/15/26, 11:49No.288112145
People simply don't care anymore about fantastic worlds with at least a semblance of creative worldbuilding. Just look how unpopular dorohedoro is.
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Anon05/15/26, 12:07No.288112331
I haven't watched Frieren yet due to lack of time, but there is always some thread with 4 schizos insulting it while the casuals praise it. Whenever a new show comes out, they praise it, so I can't take them seriously. The schizos say it's high in MAL and that bothers them, but that website is famous for being garbo, although Steinsgate and FMAB are quite good. There are also several fans in the threads replying with pictures of the girl's feet and armpits. Therefore, I'm going in without expectations
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Anon05/15/26, 12:18No.288112439
Frieren is the anime equivalent of vibe-coded crap.
Looks nice and shiny at first but falls apart quickly under closer scrutiny.
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Anon05/15/26, 13:09No.288112991
>>there is no human-human violence addressed
>>there is no politics addressed
>>there is no corruption
>>no human-to-human violence
>>no rape
>>no hostility
>>no lies
>>no crime
>>no genocide
Frieren is not a cartoon and those things are not necessary for a "good worldbuilding". And they do exist when it's convenient and are acknowledged as something that happens offscreen. In fact, because it's all so contrived it makes the world feel even less consistent and believable.
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Anon05/15/26, 14:00No.288113711
>See this thread in the catalogue days ago
>Can immediately tell its shit from a glance
>Still stays up for days
>Fine lets see what it is about, whatever, im bored
>is shit as expected
>I dont know what i expected.png
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Anon05/15/26, 18:26No.288117895
It's Frieren Friday!
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Anon05/15/26, 22:03No.288121676
>Read garbage or Game of Thrones
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