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Anonymous12/23/25, 11:38No.251389
How would you create a martial art that had as it's main purpose to be most effective against UNTRAINED people? Are there any techniques that are useless in a trained context but disproportionally effective when used against untrained people?
Kind of like how in chess there are openings that are principally not sound and easily rebuked by people who know how to play chess, but allow you to easily checkmate a complete beginner (like the scholar's mate).
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Anon12/23/25, 12:58No.251392
it would be based on timing counter attacks and exploiting feinting
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Anon12/23/25, 14:16No.251394
By combining the basics of most effective martial arts. Being proficient in the 1-2, the front kick, the single leg, osotogari and the rear naked choke will make you leaps and bounds better than the average joe provided you don't have a massive size disadvantage.
Also add: a proper guard and footwork
Keyword: proficient. And also constantly training
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Anon12/23/25, 14:50No.251397
Now that I really think about it, Silat kind of fits the vibe. If you're trained, half the shit doesn't really work or apply, but if you're against an untrained opponent most of the stuff is very "pain compliance" and demoralizing attacks
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Anon12/23/25, 15:32No.251402
Something that relies on reflex or attacking in an unorthodox way or odd areas.
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Anon12/23/25, 18:37No.251418
Yeah, literally any martial art in which you've had some training
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Anon12/23/25, 23:24No.251438
That’s just sport bjj. Against trained opponents most sport jiu jitsu goes out the window but against untrained people you can just start doing ridiculous flashy shit and it works because they don’t know what they’re doing. you could literally just pull guard and imanari roll/ bolo them and it works fine.
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Anon01/23/26, 03:20No.253857
Low-power but fast strikes are extremely effective on the untrained (front kicks and jabs, for example). When grappling, know that the only way to get them to stop is choking them out.
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Anon02/08/26, 14:33No.255255
I think boxing already is that. In a street fight the overwhelming majority of untrained people will try to punch you in the face. Boxing teaches you how to defend essentially exclusively against that. You will get good at seeing punches coming and avoiding them. But if your opponent tries literally anything else, like kicking you or going for a takedown, you will be in big trouble. You are not trained to defend any part of your lower body. The power of your punches is based off your footwork so if your opponent gets too close to you or takes you to the ground where you can’t use the same footwork as before you’ll be much weaker. Your only hope will be to knock them out before that happens.Also, the method for punching taught by boxing is strangely wrong. Boxing teaches you to twist your fist while punching. This innovation came after the introduction of gloves and was intended to increase the chance of cutting your opponent’s skin in a sportfight. But in a bareknuckle streetfight, it increases the chance of breaking your hand for no reason. The martial art about only punching does not teach you to punch properly.Boxing *should* be a terrible martial art for self-defense due to its incredibly limited scope, but because its scope is limited to the single most common self-defense scenario out there it’s way better than it has any right to be.I wonder if the ubiquity of punches in a streetfight is universal or just an American or Western thing. In Japan where Karate and Judo used to be taught in schools do you see more kicks and throws in streetfights?
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Anon02/11/26, 03:52No.255478
Gun ownership
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Anon02/16/26, 15:59No.255842
Headbutts are the first thing that spring to mind when I hear "disproportionately effective". Basically takes no skill in terms of technique or execution but can have devastating effects.
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Anon02/16/26, 20:06No.255856
Master the art of crackhead fighting
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Anon02/18/26, 15:24No.255956
If any martial art isn't good against untrained people, that shouldn't even qualify as one
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Anon03/14/26, 10:19No.257665
The average person can't react, has shit footwork and no stamina. So anything that moves a lot and has deadly strikes works.That's basically a lesser version of Capoeira desu.
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Anon03/21/26, 21:21No.257949
If you are attacking/defending against untrained people on the street, use a gun or some other weapon for the best results. Martial arts are a sport first and foremost.
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Anon08/18/26, 18:43No.268338
Using weapons
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Anon08/18/26, 23:50No.268354
>How would you create a martial art that had as it's main purpose to be most effective against UNTRAINED people?
Who cares? Pick literally anything. Win.
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Anon08/28/26, 22:27No.269093
It's called army combatives and it's been a thing for over a century all across the world.