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Anonymous06/21/25, 18:34No.234953judo or wrestling
I'm a lightweight, (1.78m, 60kg), i've been going to judo for some months now, I'm liking it a lot, but, is it comparable/better to wrestling? Especially for a guy my size, I always thought wrestling would be useless as from what I know, it uses a lot of raw strength, while judo (though it still uses strength) is better suited for taking down heavier/stronger people. Is this right? Should I try doing some wrestling? I find judo very good but also sometimes limited by the sport
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Anon06/22/25, 11:31No.235018
>is it comparable/better to wrestling?
Comparable. They have different rule sets and specialize in different techniques but are both good grappling systems. There are shared techniques between judo and wrestling.
>Especially for a guy my size, I always thought wrestling would be useless
I started wrestling at 6 years old. By the time I was 8 I was ragdolling my larger 12 year old cousin who used to pick on me.
>it uses a lot of raw strength
More accurately, it requires more raw athleticism at baseline. It's tougher for battered old men to have a convincing wrestling match than a judo match but as young competitors judoka and wrestlers are both extremely athletic.
>judo (though it still uses strength) is better suited for taking down heavier/stronger people
There's a well-known story about Dr. Kano (small of stature, founder of judo) adapting kata guruma from American wrestling's fireman's carry in order to throw a larger and very skilled guy at the dojo who he couldn't figure out how to beat otherwise (GIF related). While the two disciplines approach it differently both are about efficient application of force as you can't really rely on always having a pure strength advantage, particularly in a weight class sport.
>I find judo very good but also sometimes limited by the sport
A common complaint among judoka is that sport/Olympic judo has corrupted judo as a broader discipline. If you approach it with the mindset that sport judo is something you do to study judo, rather than that judo is something that you study to win at sport judo, you might have a better time (and fewer injuries) in the long term. That said, there are limits to any combat art because it's not sustainable to have life or career ending injuries every bout. Dr. Kano wanted judo practice to be safer than old jujutsu.
>Should I try doing some wrestling?
Absolutely! Both disciplines are a lot of fun and teach you useful things about grappling. What style of wrestling are you looking at?
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Anon07/04/25, 20:22No.236726
So this is kind of a semantic point, but to me "wrestling" is like an umbrella term, and you have subtypes of it, but it's all wrestling
So for example, there's 2 types of "wrestling", there's
>jacket wrestling
and
>no-jacket wrestling
No-jacket wrestling can include the ones you probably know, like the olympic styles
>freestyle
>greco-roman
but also
>american folkstyle
but also more esoteric ones, like
>sumo
>scottish backhold
Then you have jacket wrestling, and the obvious example is
>judo
but there's also
>sport / combat sambo
>shui jiao
then more that add limitations, like being unable to remove your grip, like
>irish collar and elbow
>chidaoba
and then ones that don't use a literal "jacket" at all, but just something else that you grip to, like
>bokh
>belt wrestling
And probably loads of others
And not to mention
>arm wrestling
Which is genuinely a style of wrestling, just hyper-limitedIf you enjoy judo but want to branch out, one option is to find another club near you and try something different. Nothing wrong with that. But you might try talking to some of your training partners and seeing if any of them want to drill some no-gi stuff with you after class?
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Anon07/05/25, 13:22No.236825
I like both. Think of it like this:
Wrestling as the physical workout
Judo as the technical workoutWrestling will allow you to improve strength and agility, but raw strength isn't enough to adapt to every opponent, especially in an unfair fight, that's where Judo becomes useful, careful observation of your opponent, an objective knowledge of your strengths and weaknesses and mastery in Judo will allow you to devise a strategy to win the fight before it even starts
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Anon07/05/25, 13:25No.236826
>(1.78m, 60kg)
bruh how the fuck, are you a stick? I'm 1.70m, 68kg and I'm pretty lean (~15% bf)
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Anon07/05/25, 13:45No.236828
>sometimes limited by the sport
that's why combat sports are a meme, but all in all, judo is one of the most applicable to real lifean unarmed lowlife wants to kill you? he will go grab you, he won't just stand there taking shots like it's a turn based gamelowlife pulls out a knife? Provided I can't just run the fuck away, I'd only try to disarm if there's a good shot I could do it, otherwise just pull out my gun or knife.2 or more lowlifes? You're not fucking Bruce Lee, better have good sprinting speed cause that's your best chance to survive. Failing that, gun, ofctl;dr train your legs, your best skill is running, and depending on the situation, climbing and parkour could come in handy also
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Anon07/06/25, 11:55No.236970
I'd go with judo over wrestling because it has more stand up takedowns, submissions, and there isn't any concern about being on your back. Whenever you grapple with wrestlers that haven't trained outside of wrestling, you'll find that they always give you their backs...because that's the way they've always trained in wrestling.
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Anon09/01/25, 23:21No.241641
>which is better
This is a child's mentality. It's like when people ask who would win between X&Y. May as well ask who'd win between Batman and Superman. Such questions are reallu up to an individual's imagination.Do what you enjoy. Both Judo and wrestling are very capable of teaching high level combat skills. Continue with your Judo. If you see something in another martial art you realize you're missing, then add that one to your repertoire. However, it's too soon to tell after just a few months of training. Unless you want to shop around a bit before you choose something.
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Anon09/02/25, 22:40No.241734
Judo basically doesn't work
You need to be olympic level to throw an athletic resisting opponentWrestling works and it's more natural
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Anon09/07/25, 14:39No.242040
Wrestling basically doesn't work.
You need to be powerlifter strong to throw an athletic resisting opponentJudo works and it's more efficient
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Anon09/15/25, 20:33No.242722
https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/1jeaufz/it_took_me_15_years_to_finally_throw_people/Oh no no no no
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Anon09/21/25, 21:38No.242994
as someone who did both, don't delude yourself : the techniques are ver similar and using a judo techniques in real life will definitely demand a lot of strength, techniques and will throw you off balance with the inertia. I prefer wrestling over judo for several reasons, the most important is that I find it more "free" in it's way to handle a match and sparing than a judo lesson.
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Anon10/01/25, 21:27No.243875
I'm a nobody but Im gonna put my foot down right here
>Judos most valuable lesson universally applicable in all walks of life
Knowing how to fall and not die, basically avoiding falling and shattering your hips or skull
>Wrestling
On the streets? Falls apart if you eat a foot to the face or your opponent has the wherewithal to sprawl
>Self defense?
I don't enjoy the prospects of hugging a fucking drunkie or a hobo
>Strength and athleticism
Dictate success rate and available options for a particular engagement, but knowledge of grappling should guide you on what you can and can't do
No one argue me on this
>Muh age
See the previous point, there's a big difference between making a decision based on unknowns and one based on wisdom and experience, unlike that moron in the post that suplexed on concrete