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Anonymous09/18/24, 14:06No.211263Tae Kwon Do
How do we save this shitheap of a martial art?
All suggestions and general Power Era nostalgia welcome
t. ITF 2nd dan (but not trained in years)
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Anon09/18/24, 15:18No.211272
What does every meme martial art and sport have in common?
Lack of contact sparring and pressure testing. Trying to apply your techniques against a skilled, resisting opponent quickly filters out what's useless. Without it, every martial art degenerates into a showy pantomime full of >2deadly2spar meme moves
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Anon09/18/24, 22:56No.211295
TaeKwonDo is actually a decent martial art all things considered. WT TKD is probably better than ITF because the focus is almost entirely kicking and that is TKD's niche where it shines. People should view TKD as a supplemental art, something to fill in the holes that arts like Boxing and Judo have where kicks aren't taught. Having a kick only environment allows for more improvement in terms of kicks.
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Anon09/19/24, 03:16No.211310
ask yourself if it's even worth saving
maybe the best move is to take any valuable things you learned from it and move past it
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Anon09/19/24, 17:48No.211334
There is no need to fix tkd
Some martial arts are based on combat and some are based on the arts part
TKD has probably the coolest kicks out of any striking art, backwards kick, head kick, spinning kick and cool combos were you jump on one leg and kick multiple times. It's not made to be le epin ultimate striking art.
Same with say judo. Judo banning leg grabs is fine because the point of judo is cool throws.
Same with BJJ. BJJ is for guys who really like ground grappling and want to do cool sweeps and submissions.
If you want to improve a martial art to make it more combat effective, ask yourself, why not just train MMA? The improvement to the art will just make it MMA lite but worse.
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Anon09/19/24, 18:51No.211338
Have more people do it like Than Le
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Anon09/20/24, 01:27No.211344
Allow grabs.
Not even clinch/grappling. Just allowing competitors to grab wrists or catch kicks instantly forces them to stop relying on the current point scoring meta and incentivizes them to use other techniques in their arsenal.
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Anon09/21/24, 05:29No.211404
There is no point to saving something like tkd or karate when kickboxing already exists. Just do that and then extract the useful techniques that were left behind with the antiquated martial arts.
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Anon09/23/24, 02:38No.211570
- Get rid of the point system, wins whoever pushes the opponent outside first.
- Grabbing the chest plate is allowed but not as a way to win the fight.
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Anon09/24/24, 05:49No.211686
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Anon09/24/24, 05:50No.211687
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Anon09/25/24, 12:12No.211825
TKD is great.You don't need everything to be le hardcore MMA autismo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKEbws4QhEknormies are more impressed by a tornado 720 kick than defeating a bunch of MMA autismos.Also, TKD evolved into a cool style for videogame characters.not everything has to be le hardcore scientific MMA garbage.
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Anon09/25/24, 19:14No.211858
There is no world in which Taekwondo is an "extreme sport".
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Anon09/29/24, 05:03No.212237
It's fine as is, it doesn't need to be the same as every other martial art. A lot of people just want to see it turn into MT or Kickboxing, and there's just no need for that.That said, I would like to see it change a bit. I'd like to see more fluidity and energy in matches. Although at anything but the highest level you still see that a lot.
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Anon09/30/24, 05:12No.212325
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Anon10/01/24, 00:40No.212377
Taekwondo (as well as it’s closest relatives, shotokan and tang soo do), was already almost fixed. American kickboxing. It only fell out of relevance because of the above the waist only striking leading to a sidewards stance that muay thai absolutely annihilated.To bring it back to relevance, simply add low kicks, but keep the WT weighting of points (while keeping the boxing/kickboxing method of scoring). Basically higher, spinning or jumping kicks score more than punches or low kicks. So they’d be prioritised, but low kicks and face punches would exist so the taekwondo guys would be able to deal with them.A sport that prioritised spinning head kicks would be extremely exciting and popular. Make it a four points of contact system (feet and hands only - “foot fist way”) to justify it’s place between the sweet science and the art of eight limbs, and have them use small gloves (kyokushin should have done this, instead of dropping head punches) and suddenly there’s justification for mma fighters to train it. You’d probably produce a champion eventually.
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Anon10/01/24, 02:58No.212387
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Anon10/01/24, 02:59No.212388
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Anon10/01/24, 03:00No.212389
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Anon10/13/24, 13:29No.213376
>it's fine
>no need for it to become [effective style]If it's ineffective for fighting then there is something wrong by definitionShotokan became ineffective (or had structural flaws) so Kyokushin developed to restore it. KK became less effective so Ashihara/Enshin/Kudo were born. Those will eventually become ineffective too.Krotty seems to be evolve to keep its core premise intact at the bleeding edge (if not the bulk of practitioners who usually practice devolved styles in mcdojos).TKD doesn't for some reason. It grew out of early 20thC Shotokan, allegedly with some meh-tier understanding (e.g. the kata application wasn't really understood so when Choi reassembled them some stuff was changed, other stuff was garbled), but never seemed to evolve beyond that.Shotokan with more shopisticated kicking is a fine idea but it has become the byword for bullshido. It's needs an evolution to survive, on the level of Shotokan -> Kyokushin -> Kudo
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Anon10/13/24, 23:40No.213419
you niggers would turn every sport into MMA if you had the chance
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Anon10/15/24, 18:25No.213573
total ruleset and drill overhaul. make it like kudo or at least just kickboxing, maybe throw in some unique rules to keep it its own separate thing.I wouldn't focus as much on changing techniques, after all tkd is basically karate with the serial numbers filed off and knockdown karate is pretty good. its just a matter of how its trained and applied.This is an unpopular opinion but I also think that some of the traditional aesthetic aspects could be done away with (the dobak, the belts, etc) it really just seems like an unimportant aspect that takes up time that could be better spent elsewhere.I'd bet you could ease people into it with really long rounds of flow sparring with kickboxing or MMA rules that increase in intensity until people are going like 70% I'd probably use some dutch kick boxing drills to toughen people up without goiing too overboard and teaching regular kickboxing combos. I think you could even ease people into that by teaching some combinations some that incorporate boxing and elbows into preexisting TKD combos.the big problem is that your students would have to compete in kickboxing rather than TKD so it'd be more of a kickboxing gym with heavy TKD influence than a dojang at that point
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Anon10/16/24, 13:12No.213658
It should really look like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx-azIH8C_Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7mpJMncT7Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutSNHF0tHMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgGTP5Cevrs
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Anon10/18/24, 04:15No.213796
TKD actually fucking slams in kickboxing/muay thai
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Anon10/19/24, 16:46No.213900
Speaking as an ethnic Korean, TKD and TSD are massive copes that post-1945 Koreans did to try and reclaim some ethnic pride after the occupation. Yeah there was a kicking art that historical Koreans did. There's also recorded evidence from Chinese visitors that Koreans engaged in some kind of head-butting, shoulder-rushing martial art too.But it's well documented that all the founders of nine kwans that would later become Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do trained in Japanese/Okinawan martial arts (and Chinese in TSD's case). Even General Choi blatantly copied Funakoshi's Shotokan book and justified it as Japanese copying Korean culture so it was fair game to do it with karate.TKD and TSD were Shotokan, Shito Ryu, and Shudokan that they modified with higher kicks and changes in stances. The only time these arts were improved was when they incorporated Muay Thai like Japan did in the 1950's and 1960's. Kun gek do was MT + TKD.TKD is seen as a "safe" alternative because it doesn't focus on punching as much as karate does so little kiddies having fancy kicks which can only work under certain circumstances. I think it's only in the last 20-30 years that there's TKD books and schools incorporating kicking with the use of the shin and low kicks like Kyokushin and other Japanese knockdown styles do.TKD and TSD is good as a supplement with something like Boxing, Muay Thai, Sanshou, Japanese knockdown karate, Lethwei, Savate, or Dutch Kickboxing. When you already know how to fight properly, some of those high kicks can be a nifty trick to use.
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Anon10/19/24, 23:00No.213921
Its really simple, just add full contact like kickboxing half the time, keep the art an art while also shit testing it for actual inefficiencies for full contact.I think that a kickboxing taekwondo hybrid would really revitalize the art, while also keeping the more difficult and situational kicks for practice or performance and maybe utilizing it at a high enough level.
Modern taekwondo is basically mall karate in my opinion, I really love the kicks, I do, but its so washed down.
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Anon10/24/24, 22:21No.214394
Are you kidding, this is what Cobra Kai uses. If you have training in Tae Kwon Do and the right mindset you can put someone in a coma
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Anon10/25/24, 02:17No.214411
>How do we save this shitheap of a martial art?
abandon ship, id much rather have started kickboxing or muaythai than taekwondo lmao
ig its cool ik how to do fancy kicks and am good at only that but eh
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Anon10/26/24, 10:53No.214496
Many champions do well without high kicks. But how many fighters get really good high kicks? High kicks as effortless and controlled as a jab? This level: https://youtu.be/EWbUSmxWzUs?si=SjO8E3I0EhBjcjmwI think few fighters do. I think they know what to focus on, they're fighters after all. Just an observation.
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Anon10/29/24, 00:11No.214721
One big thing I see on reddit is americans who grew up with WT assuming that ITF is this promised land where TKD is actually knockdown karate or somethingI can tell you from experience that ITF is pretty much identical to modern Shotokan point sparring, it sucks for self-defence. Again this is 100% how it's trained.The style itself (i.e. the moveset) is fine but the ruleset its geared towards is garbage. Train it for a ruleset like
>K-1
>Shootboxing
>MMA
>Any kind of kickboxing + throws + sweeps rulesetAnd everything else should fall into place. But until that kind of ruleset becomes the norm it will never evolve and will remain a devolved sport for kids
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Anon10/31/24, 14:31No.214997
>TKD started coming together in the 20s/30s from Shotokan students in Korea
>became TKD proper in the 50s
>Power Era was 80s/90sWhen was TKD actually good for full-contact fighting?Like did it start out great and decline or was it just always meh?What was TKD like in the 60s?
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Anon11/07/24, 22:40No.215476
How about training at a kickboxing gym that also teaches tkd classes, or at least has an instructor (or multiple) with a background in it? There's bound to be some crossover.For example, kickboxers would be more proficient at high kicks and the more advanced kicks you see in tkd, and taekwondoists would have decent low kicks and could take a punch to the head (and defend against it).It's not like such gyms don't already exist.
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Anon11/14/24, 07:10No.215846
>How do we save this shitheap of a martial art?
Incorporate it into a better one. But that would mean keeping a handful of useful bits and discarding the rest, anyway.
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Anon11/18/24, 14:34No.216061
Tbf ITF has zero technology of any sort except for judges eyeballing the fight (unless that's changed since like 2009) and the style still turned into useless point tag shitI think changing this is literally as simple as making the sparring ruleset closer to K-1 or MT. But no TKD schools seem to be willing to make that leap
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Anon01/03/25, 06:37No.218927
I'm glad someone asked this. TKD has some good shit in it for real combat, the kicks and the movement is top tier. But the problem is the lack of any sort of real threat and defense with the hands. Boxing is literally the spine of striking, it's so important. Thing is, tkd already has been fixed. Kickboxing is literally just tkd with boxing. So there, problem solved.
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Anon03/10/25, 00:53No.225731
Has anyone ever heard of a guy called Steven Walker? Apparently was a really good fighter who won world championships but I can't find anything about him. Was active in the early 2000s and he's british
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Anon03/10/25, 01:10No.225732
Not related but think you guys might be interested>meet some guy through mutual friends who claims to be a two time world champion who was chosen to compete in the Olympics but never did cuz of lack of funding at the time
>think it's bullshit but he comes downstairs with a bunch of medals and some Olympics shit the Olympics sent him
>Ask him to teach me a move for fun (never did martial arts)
>"you got some natural ability, come over for a lesson sometime)
>Fast forward to my lesson and it's just him and I in his living room, he is drunk and he offers me some weed
>"think "fuck it this is just like in Bully where the drunken veteran teaches him moves"
>notice this guy does genuinely know how to kick and is agile and controlled. Has cauliflower ears, stories add up etc
>conflicted about how on one hand he seems legit and on the other hand he is literally drunk and high teaching me in his living room
>fast forward a few lessons and he has given me a yellow belt exam
>this time he is stone-cold sober and really rinsing me out and making me do shit over and over for hours until he is satisfied
>sweating, tired, he hands me my belt
>"listen, I never train anybody - especially not beginners - but I see something in you. You got real potential. I think I could train you to be a black belt in around a year. I will fast track you past the bullshit they make you do at group lessons and just focus on drilling you hard"I think this is genuinely a good fighter who is eccentric and disillusioned with the sport who may be slightly exaggerating his skills but does actually know what he's doing? He teaches me for free and seems to really enjoy it now after a few lessons and honestly I like him as a person so I think I will stay with him.
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Anon03/10/25, 01:14No.225733
just develop the ability to jump 7 feet in the air like hwoarang from tekken and it becomes the best martial art
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Anon03/11/25, 12:14No.225785
by training primarily kickboxing or muay thai and supplemnting with tae kwon do
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Anon05/06/25, 19:29No.229797
first kick at torso or head wins
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Anon06/16/25, 00:46No.234247
>Add kickboxing clinches, hand work and rules with supplemented Taekwondo kicks
>Focus more on sparring
>Put point system on backburner
>Remove belt system
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Anon06/19/25, 07:25No.234591
>remove most protective gear except for feet and shins
>allow leg kicks and stomps
>score based on damage instead of points
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Anon08/09/25, 02:55No.239903
Taekwondo is just mall karate, globohomo karate. It's very silly that you can trace Taekwondo back to the CIA if you really squint your eyes. Korean Marines did use it as their training exercises and PT while they fought in Vietnam, so much like any exercise it's how much you put into it. But, with the end of the Cold War and the rise of Taekwondo's spot in the Olympics, it just became globohomo karate.Anything you do in Taekwondo is actually trained and pressure tested in Kyukoshin. If you find a good taekwondo gym, it's probably one in a million, and the guy probably focuses on kickboxing, taekwondo is the training of kicking counterattacks at it's core, so it's a very niche skill to learn that doesn't translate as well as standard boxing or judo.