why does johan have a hateboner for byzantium

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Anon06/05/26, 13:59No.2422197

Europa Universalis series focus is a time after the fall of constantinople. Due to popular demand, he was compelled to cater to obsessive byzaboos, and pulled the start date back to 1399 in Eu3:IN, ever since byzantium has stuck around as a fan favourite.He likes when eu4 gameplay features historical maritime colonizing empires, european wars of religion, swedish empire, russian empire, ottoman empire, poland-lithuania, he likes pike and shot to napoleonic warfare, hussars and shit. Then fans just ask for more rome stuff. which doesn't gel with his mental image of what Europa Universalis is about.

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Anon06/05/26, 14:01No.2422198

wtfare you talking about byz gets an absurd amount of pandering i hate byzaboo faggots so much

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Anon06/05/26, 15:10No.2422254

Because Byzaboos are LARPers who cherrypick everything good about the failed state without even trying to understand why the term byzantine exists

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Anon06/05/26, 15:28No.2422267

Byzantium is not Rome. Byzantium was a Greek state. Rome was a Latin state. Gibbon was right and Kaldelis is a coping LARPer. Byzantium stopped being Rome when βασιλεύς Ηράκλειος hellenized the state.You are not Roman. Even if you were your existence of perpetual failure would be an insult to Rome.CETERVM CENSEO CONSTANTINOPOLIM ESSE DELENDAM

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Anon06/05/26, 16:02No.2422286

Paradox are notoriously bad in the writing department (just look at any of the althis HOI4 shit they did), they're more systems, coder guys. But the core idea of having to choose between a Greek national identity or a Roman imperial one is likely a dilemma Byzantium would have had to deal with in the modern age, especially reduced as it had become.

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Anon06/05/26, 19:30No.2422459

>We will never get a Byzanatium->Greece route Why fucking bother

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Anon06/05/26, 19:51No.2422508

>slanders eastern rome >influences your map game developer Nothing personnel, kid.

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Anon06/05/26, 23:15No.2422751

>terminally online Byzashits will single-handedly turn around the public opinion on the Fourth Crusade Disgusting animals. Maybe the people saying that the start date should 1453 were onto something.

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Anon06/06/26, 02:18No.2422878

What do you mean? He is giving Byzantoboos what they want. They WANT this cringe alt-history LARP shit.

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Anon06/06/26, 03:03No.2422896

It's more like a Rome bias, like how Imperator (well, it is in the name) had Latin sea tiles even for Greek nations

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Anon06/06/26, 09:48No.2423030

Play EU 4 mod Third Odyssey: Back to the Motherland - full on larp with running away to north america, having new mechanics depending what you decide to bring with you (silk, books, greek fire, venetian shipbuilding etc), creating Janisaries out of indians LOL, reforming orthodoxy or going full pagan LARP. It also has really good mission tree that ofers different endgame paths - full on isolationism and taking both of americas for yourself, creating a world spaning trade empire going full navymaxxing, or returning to europe to kill turks and restore rome

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Anon06/06/26, 23:24No.2423460

>>absolutely zero plausible content as to how that state would evolve in the early modern era outside of anachronistic LARPing >>no material on the issue of nationalism, industrialization, colonial exploration in Asia, diplomatic maneuvers with Western Europe and Russia Yeah because it's not fucking plausible you retard "durr what if the byz manifested gorillions of tons of gold and hundreds of thousands of soldiers and killed all da turks!!" that wouldn't fucking happen and it didn't happen in actual history either, there's no way to guess or reason a path for the Byzantines because there is no thing as a "path" for them, by the start date they were a bunch of bandits squatting in a few towns and collecting tax while waiting for somebody to destroy them.

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Anon06/07/26, 10:54No.2423647

>According to Byzantine apocalyptic tradition (as per Pseudo-Methodius), when the empire reached its absolute darkest hour and was on the brink of total destruction by its enemies (historically framed as the "sons of Ishmael" or the Turks), a miraculous event would occur. >The Awakening: A legendary, divinely chosen Roman Emperor (often described as sleeping, dead, or in hiding) would be awakened or sent by God. >The Global Conquest: This emperor would rise up, utterly crush the enemies of Christianity, and liberate Constantinople and Jerusalem. >Universal Rule: He would establish a golden age of peace (Pax Christiana) and rule over all of mankind for a thousand years from his seat of power in Constantinople. Under his reign, all nations would convert to Christianity, fulfilling the idea of a universal Roman empire, before the coming of the Antichrist and the end times.

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Anon06/07/26, 18:07No.2423878

>See threadIt's literally a direct continuation of the Roman Empire after the western part fell.

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Anon06/07/26, 20:07No.2423996

Yeah it's pretty shit, you can tell he has an antiquity fetish and just wanted toga Rome again. But mods will fix it as always. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3604070407

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Anon06/07/26, 22:25No.2424131

I fucking hate byzaboos. Byzantium was not Rome. It was closer to the shitty Greek kingdoms that the true Romans bulldozed in their time.

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Anon06/07/26, 22:39No.2424146

Asserting that the Byzantine Empire was somehow not roman because of, let me check my notes, "shit that the Roman Empire started doing on its own" is just asinine. That said, I am sick of Romeslop and I would much rather larp as its destroyers.

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Anon06/07/26, 23:56No.2424207

How mad do you think Byzantroons are that if you say "Roman" to 99% of the general public they will think of the picture on the left instead of the picture on the right?YWNBAR

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Anon06/08/26, 11:20No.2424499

byzantium > rome latins are overrated

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Anon06/08/26, 13:54No.2424569

I like Rome I also like Byzantium It's not that hard

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Anon06/08/26, 14:39No.2424586

I love how 90 posts in, the actual topic of the OP isn't addressed. Whether you're a romaboo, byzaboo, like the HRE, hate the HRE, think the Greek half of Rome wasn't Roman, if Christianity killed Rome or not etc. all of them agree that the direction Paradox took for that "alt history" DLC makes no sense and just pisses off everyone.

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Anon06/08/26, 15:40No.2424626

Modern United States can no longer be called the United States because: 1) their capital is no longer in philadelphia 2) the people are no longer white

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Anon06/08/26, 16:11No.2424659

Johan got repeatedly bullied in Tinto Talks before the game released and took zero feedback, what did you expect?

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Anon06/08/26, 16:33No.2424676

>eat slop for pigs >complain when slop for pigs is slop you've been giving these DLC merchants your money for 16 years now, and all of a sudden you have standards?

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Anon06/08/26, 17:43No.2424725

Anyone know why my decision to form Norman culture isn't there? I had to roll back 60 years to before Neustria randomly turned into Normandy when the king of France revoked it to see if that was the issue.

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Anon06/09/26, 00:12No.2425030

cause they ate giro once and bizarrely their digestion went awry

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Anon06/10/26, 19:26No.2426167

the only "fun" alt history pdx has ever made was the teuton holy horde in eu4

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Anon06/10/26, 20:37No.2426252

alt-history is an inherently cursed genre because no matter what you do you will be stuck between the screeching realism niggers declaring any fun concept "unrealistic" and the seething nationalist niggers asking why their particular europoor shithole you couldn't care less about isn't somehow the new Byzantium

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Anon06/12/26, 03:31No.2427163

only slightly related but the iranian (((protests))) and the new iran war basically gave me a wizard of oz pulling back the curtain moment to me about all the zoroastrian LARP that's popular in CK3 and the rest of the Paradox community I'm convinced Paradox was paid by Mossad to help drum up support for the iranian monarchy as a larger social media push to undermine the government of iran.I literally can't unsee it now, it's so fucking jewish

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Anon06/13/26, 18:18No.2428091

>and people to hold the weapons. The french weren't going to hold the weapons you retard, that's literally the point. France isn't just some collection of video game provinces that gives a manpower boost to your big grey blob. >the rest The whole point anon was making that by itself, Russia was absolutely nothing and would have been easily crushed by Germany, or just about any European state really. The war Germany was waging was one entirely against the US.

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Anon06/13/26, 18:27No.2428101

I see I've been a real trend setter on deleting ones posts to fix spelling mistakes so that arguments can happen faster without triple proofreading. Good on you anons

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Anon06/13/26, 18:31No.2428110

>The USSR won before the USA joined. Yes.Most wars are won or lost years before they actually end. You could make a pretty genuine case the Battle of Britain doomed Nazi Germany.

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Anon06/13/26, 18:31No.2428111

noooo america wasn't involved in the war in 1939 when it started bombing german civilian trade ships headed to venezuela to get oil without a formal declaration of war! (Warcrime) russia wonned against germany all by itself! alone! gommunism #1!!!!! Im trans btw

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Anon06/13/26, 18:32No.2428112

Suck my dick. Choke on it.

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Anon06/13/26, 18:33No.2428114

Ban india from this website

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Anon06/13/26, 18:36No.2428118

>I accept your confession That Germany collapsed because the USA bombed trading ships? Yes. It was a failed nation and needed foreign trade to keep it going.

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Anon06/13/26, 18:36No.2428121

>I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so. Nikita Khrushchev >russia strik dont need no munitions no steel no food russia beat germany with fighting spirit of tupac alive in leningrad Some retarded anon with fetal alcohol syndrome.

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Anon06/13/26, 18:41No.2428126

>any nation that needs foreign trade to keep it going is a failed nation So you admit Nazi Germany failed first.

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Anon06/13/26, 18:42No.2428127

You've repeatedly defined the soviet union as a failing nation by defining germany as a failing nation over and over (because they, largely, resembled eachother in being reliant on foreign powers, trade, and more) yet you go out of your way to shill that the soviet union is somehow better in every way and that they defeated germany all alone and by themselves and with no help from america because you are a politically compromised brown tranny who believes that cutting your penis off would be somehow justified if you just lived in soviet russia instead of LA where your mental illness (and trump derangement syndrome) is treated as exactly what it is.

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Anon06/13/26, 19:45No.2428180

>"US only appeared when the soviets steamrolled Germany, they were scared soviets would take entire europe that's it. They didn't do shit really." Not me. Nice try though.It's amazing how the world would be a objectively better place if you were dead.

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Anon06/13/26, 19:49No.2428185

Xhe can't even stand by xer own retarded brown gommunism arguments lmfao

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Anon06/13/26, 19:49No.2428186

Yes.

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Anon06/13/26, 20:05No.2428195

>I'm not samefagging I just so happened to join into the post chain at the exact same post the "anon I'm defending" just so happened to decide to stop replying Hilarious shit.

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Anon06/13/26, 22:02No.2428255

unpopular opinion in this shithole but i would like if they made a startdate in 1312

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Anon06/21/26, 01:35No.2433636

>why hateboner natural reaction of a germanic to civilization

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Anon06/21/26, 17:18No.2434018

Is that you OP?

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Anon07/11/26, 13:05No.2448313

Did ancient romans used to turn little boys into literal trannies and mutilate the eyes of their own emperors to be closer to nailed pedo kike like the shitantroons? If so they can claim to be romans

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Anon07/11/26, 13:21No.2448326

Reminder neither Rome nor the shitantranny despotate ever helf a candle against Muslim empires in their golden age:Roman cities that surprassed 500,000 inhabitants during Roman Golden Age (27 BC - 235 AD)>RomeIslamic cities that surprassed 500,000 inhabitants during Islamic Golden Age (750 - 1258)>Baghdad >Cairo >Córdoba >Kairouan >Fez >Samarkand >Gorgan >Palermo >Isfahan >Tehran >Aleppo >Damascus Etc etc etcThe difference between an statist, centralized and mercantilist empire that used its provinces as colonies made up to extract resources to supply Italy. And a liberal and federalist caliphate in which each emir appointed by the caliph is responsible for supplying his people within a meta-emirative economy network that merged distant trading routes and cultures.

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Anon07/11/26, 19:01No.2448519

>Islamic cities that surprassed 500,000 inhabitants Imagine the smell

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Anon07/13/26, 08:24No.2449552

But Ackmet they actually conquered Sicily.

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Anon07/15/26, 03:27No.2450606

>EU5 has an average of 9K players >EU4 has an average of 11K players What went so wrong?

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Anon07/23/26, 07:23No.2454994

Because byzaboos are the cringiest lot of pop-history fans, right next to the HOI4 fanbase

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Anon07/29/26, 15:47No.2459050

Reminder shitantrannies were slaughtered by the hundreds by a single arab man who went into battle wearing nothing but loinclothes in his crotch:>Dhiraar was feared by the Byzantine army and was given the nickname The barechested Warrior or The barechested Champion for his tendency to fight without armor or upper garments. Diraar mostly known for killing three dozen enemy commanders and champions in the Battle of Ajnadayn, blocking the enemy retreat in the Battle of Yarmouk, and killing more than a hundred soldiers single handedly in the siege of Oxyrhynchus Bahnasa.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirar_ibn_al-Azwar

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Anon08/01/26, 23:27No.2460986

>retard is too inbred to remember he already posted that three weeks ago

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Anon08/13/26, 14:29No.2467134

EU3 originally started 1453. Due to popular demand they moved the start date back to 1399, in part so people could play as byzantium. That's literally all there is to it. Johan had to change his vision 20 years ago and he still harbors a grudge against byzzieboos for it.

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Anon08/15/26, 18:11No.2468492

>Gibbonite I literally have a Masters in history, and I never heard of Gibbon during my studies. Because hes a popsci hack who wilfully ignores every source that doesn't fit his ideas to make his grand universal theory of explaning everything work.

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Anon08/17/26, 22:40No.2469826

still kept every Roman institution and bureaucratic systems more than the G*rmoid conglomerate btw send post more Christian than the G*rmoid btw send post

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Anon08/17/26, 22:44No.2469830

love this board I haven't seen people this insane since /gsg/

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Anon08/25/26, 22:44No.2475018

based byzfags are insufferable and deserve to be bullied

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Anon08/25/26, 23:16No.2475050

Please stop derailing with shit about the Minor Ottoman Speedbump™, this thread is about /his/ schizo haplotype theories and why Germany should have won WWII.

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Anon08/27/26, 21:33No.2476723

I wish EU5 started in 1444 and had been just an early modern strategy game, not this I hate all the larp in this game

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Anon09/05/26, 23:02No.2482841

Hoi4 and EU5 is tranny slop. cis people play Crusader Kings

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Anon09/05/26, 23:03No.2482842

and Stellaris is OK, too

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Anon09/05/26, 23:28No.2482854

Everyone I'm aware of who likes the Byzantines over the Latins are brown, probably because they can identify with it more, being the eastern empire with lots of non-whites, backstabbing Crusaders and such. Are you brown OP?

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Anon09/06/26, 01:09No.2482896

also, the Varangian Guard!! the Latin Emperors never had such elite bodyguards And they were just a bunch of hard lads from England and Scandinavia, Saxony, etc.

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