bookmarks in paradox games - /vst/

Anonymous12/01/25, 00:26No.2272252Bookmarks in Paradox games:

It's strange to me how they've gone from what feels like a major part of the game to a mostly forgotten side feature to something that has been totally removed in everything but CK3. It's especially noticeable in the context of EU5, with many people wishing the game had featured a different start date. What caused them to fall out of popularity, either with the game developers or the fans, so much?

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Anon12/01/25, 00:27No.2272254

retard

Anon12/01/25, 00:49No.2272286

I guess because the AI will have played your nation for a couple decades or centuries depending on the bookmark and will have made a lot of shitty decisions so its better to get the country as early as possible to ensure a smooth run. The only bookmark I've played was the 1776 american independence one for the achievement in 4 and there's a lot of retarded stuff there.

Anon12/01/25, 00:51No.2272289

>What caused them to fall out of popularity in the past there was less scrutiny on historical accuracy there are many fans who are extremely autistic about historicity, enough that even if they are a minority they are a big enough one that paradox cares what they have to say (at least partially because they say it really loudly) lots of time periods have very poor record keeping and rely on guesswork to fill them in, getting worse the farther from europe you get so back in the crusader kings 2 days it was enough to go "ehhhh we dont have historical records from this area let's just fill it in with whatever" now it's harder to do that and requires more work the more bookmarks that get added, especially as the map expands, so they decided to cut extra bookmarks and just focus on the one start date

Anon12/01/25, 00:56No.2272296

They were never popular though? So pdx stopped making them unless it sells DLCs

Anon12/01/25, 01:19No.2272344

I can't find an official explanation, but the consensus is that it was a huge amount of work for a feature that most players never interact with. Of all the games I've played, only perhaps a handful took place outside of the established start dates and several of those were the "Bronze Man" campaigns that PDX highlighted to hype CK3.

Anon12/01/25, 01:24No.2272351

Most people play the earliest start date and also because paradox wants to save on their coin

Anon12/01/25, 01:29No.2272362

Stop pretending anyone ever used these. There's a lot to hate about paradox but this isn't it.

Anon12/01/25, 01:48No.2272394

even i eu3 no one played any other start dates besides the defaukt. Maye ck2 because some would play 1066 or the earlier starts. No one ever played the later starts

Anon12/01/25, 02:02No.2272412

Every time you make a patch for the game you have to make sure every single start date is balanced. That's a lot of work, especially when as others here have said none played those start dates.

Anon12/01/25, 02:12No.2272430

People didn't really use the alternate start dates unless they were going achievement hunting.Now, barring the obvious 1444, what other start dates should EU5 have?

Anon12/01/25, 02:53No.2272503

>paradox shill thread #9001

Anon12/01/25, 02:53No.2272506

>a thread has died for yet more paraslop spam Buy a fucking ad faggot

Anon12/01/25, 08:09No.2272791

People rarely played them outside of CK2 where players would alternate between two of them. As they added provinces to a game, they'd have to go back and adjust every bookmark to accomodate the changes. By the end of EU4's active development, for example, the bookmarks were just left really broken due to neglect.

Anon12/01/25, 08:47No.2272845

It's a relict from the times, when video game had a simulationist and educational ideal. Like a tool for historical reenactment. That has shifted and now Paradox games are just a vehicle for autistic, socially disabled gamers, who have an extremely meme-centric view of history and want to perfectly recreate the Roman Empire with the EXACT SAME BORDERS it used to have at it's greatest extent without any regard for the changed geopolitical and social context.

Anon12/01/25, 09:39No.2272880

>It's strange to me That's because you're a dumb fuck >people wishing the game had featured a different start date. That's how you are selling DLCs and expansions, you dumb cunt

Anon12/01/25, 15:55No.2273282

over 90% of games are played on the earliest start date in all their games most players do not care about alternate scenarios the most surprising is hoi4 since in hoi3 gotterdammerung was relatively popular

Anon12/01/25, 20:35No.2273706

I miss them but it's a lot of effort for little gain and as the maps become more detailed it becomes harder work to maintain them.

Anon12/01/25, 22:18No.2273867

Because nobody, and I mean nobody, ever used anything but the earliest start date outside of Crusader Kings. Plus their games were less complex back then and usually only got 1 or 2 expansions for being put to bed.Now Paradox games last for 15 years and are so complex with so many different modifiers and POPs and information and mana and shit, there’s just no way the devs could maintain more than 3 start dates max. Imagine how much work it would take to keep the literacy of a Burgher POP in some tiny HRE state updated for the war of the quadruple alliance meme bookmark that nobody would ever play. And then 5 years after game release Paradox decided they want to divide burghers into capitalists and merchants or some shit and now you have to go through all the bookmarks dividing them up.

Anon12/01/25, 22:57No.2273925

>What caused them to fall out of popularity Nobody plays them, nigger. If you pick a later start day you're shortening the total time you can play. Even if you won't play that long, why do it?

Anon12/01/25, 23:04No.2273931

I thought the bookmarks were neat only so far as it was fun to look around and see the different maps of the situations.Actually them is boring as hell. I remember loading up the 7 Years' war scenario and having the main war partners peace out for scraps within less than one year.

Anon12/01/25, 23:36No.2273969

I'm glad they started with a radical new bookmark but they need something in the 1400s-1500s

Anon12/02/25, 15:27No.2274893

>fall out of popularity they were never popular, their purpose was for the player to scroll along the unfolding of history while listening to the main menu theme the only other use was for specific countries that were only available on that date (CSA in victoria 2, USA in EU3/4)