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Anonymous11/07/25, 15:31No.2214879What causes this phenomenon?
Even in Nov of 2025.
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Anon11/07/25, 16:04No.2214994
Ck2 still has quite a few mechanics that Ck3 lacks. For instance trade and trade routes, custom great works, societies, issue of a hostile council, and investiture and pope election mechanics. Also ck3 suffers the weakness of having too many hugely important binary things: progress happens over the span of one or two changes. You research one new tech and suddenly can field twice as many men at arms (rather than incrementally gaining maybe 10% greater retinue capacity) or you have one genius child and can quite easily guarantee that every future heir will be a genius because the game pretends that return to mean simply isn't a thing and genius parents will always have genius kids.Most of all I'd say the flaw in ck3 is that it tries to give the player an easy way to control everything at all points of the game, which is not only anachronistic but makes the game feel very arcady. Sure it's bad game design to make something utterly game ruining over which the player lacks control, but it's also very unsatisfying when it takes maybe 50 years of gameplay to establish a state where you have absolute control over culture, religion, inheritance, and other things that were deeply entrenched in medieval society even though they often conflicted with the desires of rulers. Also character traits being static and soft-locked to only 3 adds to the arcady feeling and makes roleplay feel shallow: you could always roleplay a tyrant by killing/torturing people, but in ck2 you could see actually see your character change for the better (or worse) as his life progresses. Ck3 is superior in a few ways (in particular: lifestyles, hooks, secrets) and it also generally has a lot more content both in terms of baseline and area-unique events/mechanics, but it's not a pure upgrade.
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Anon11/07/25, 19:33No.2215779
1) Contriarianism
2) CK2 was quite literally baby's first PDX game for... a lot of people. They still obsess over it, even if they don't actually play it anymore
3) CK3 post-release dev cycle is abysmal and it burned long time ago through genuine goodwill the premiere gained, so people are pissed at that
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Anon11/07/25, 20:56No.2216107
you see, i don't have to pay for ck2
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Anon11/07/25, 21:07No.2216155
Causes what?
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Anon11/08/25, 02:25No.2216984
So basically you didn't actually play CK2
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Anon11/08/25, 09:33No.2217478
Here's the biggest difference:I can play ck2 on my laptop but with ck3 I can't
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Anon11/08/25, 09:38No.2217490
>ugliness of magyars
I don't think you ever played the game
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Anon11/08/25, 09:49No.2217499
CK3 is extremely shallow and all of the DLCs add another shallow abstract minigame. That said, I understand if you have an extremely low IQ you might be unable to play anything without terrible low quality 3D models that let you 'role play' more effectively.
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Anon11/08/25, 12:19No.2217692
Sadly, people like you will never grow up. I recommend euthanasia.
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Anon11/08/25, 17:48No.2218499
Am I alone in thinking CK2 looks way better than 3?
Especially if you use the graphics overhaul mod from the workshop.
I hate the 3d models in CK3.Also I'm not switching to 3 because I spent like 200$ on 2, and I'm not doing that again until at least CK4.
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Anon11/08/25, 20:39No.2219192
CK3 is crap.
3d looks like shit.
>muh own culture creation
Shouldnt be up to an individual.\
get fucked
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Anon11/09/25, 05:32No.2220524
CK3 is now better than CK2 since Chapter 3. It is even better now with Chapter 4.I love CK2. CK3 has caught up to it. It really only needs a trade system now, but a real one, not one limited to gay republic plays.
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Anon11/09/25, 05:57No.2220552
I bought CK3 at release and played it for a month, got burned out, and dropped it forever.
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Anon11/09/25, 07:07No.2220630
I don't give a fuck about 3d characters.
I'm here for spreadsheets hidden behind digital paintings.
I consider it a waste of resources for them to make 3d characters. Because it's probably like 20 people working on that shit.
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Anon11/09/25, 16:37No.2221701
>imprisoning and castrating your vassals, and forcing their family to be your concubines isn't "tyranny"
>seduction, carousing, marriage, societies and conquest aren't "rp"
>marriage alliances, tributaries, vassals and religious diplomacy isn't diplomacy
>trade posts, holding development and great works aren't "economics"
>actually developing your levies and supplementing them with men at arms only for large empires and merchant republics isn't "warfare"
Even ignoring the fact that CK2 does 80% of the above unambiguously better than CK3, none of that is the reason why it's superior.
By far the biggest advantage is that CK2 empires are genuinely unstable, and they need constant work during succession to remain intact and consolidated even at the endgame. In CK3 you just blob, and blob, and blob all the while your vassals just sit there like retards doing nothing.
On top of that, the map actually had texture. The fact that cultures were locked made it matter what retinues you had and locked you out of just stacking retarded modifiers through syncretism. The silk road and gold road made playing in india/persia/africa massively distinct from europe, as did the tribal/nomad land in the north being completely different yet again, and the european merchant republics even if you were still playing as a feudal country in all instances.
And when you changed religions, it actually represented a huge deal for your country with significant mechanical tradeoffs rather than "something you do literally every game because it gives you bigger numbers". Hell, even if you wanted to switch religion to a more OP one you'd end up absolutely cucked by moral authority outside of the handful that start out totally dominant like sunni islam.CK3 is just fucking boring - at this point it's basically just a VN with an optional map accessory.
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Anon11/09/25, 18:23No.2222052
haha funny bald glasses man
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Anon11/09/25, 18:57No.2222223
Make America Great Again
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Anon11/10/25, 09:30No.2224340
I play CK heavily modded as a goofy sandbox fantasy strategy game. I'm immune to this.
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Anon11/10/25, 12:42No.2224759
That's why HIP is still the best mod, most of the mods are just reskinned vanilla
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Anon11/10/25, 13:08No.2224882
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Anon11/12/25, 08:04No.2231235
I don't play CK2 anymore (and by extension I don't really want to get into CK3 right now either), burnt out after so many years, but CK3 is a sidegrade, from what I gathered when testing it out.
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Anon11/12/25, 08:37No.2231263
Oh, and CK3 is not even finished yet, they keep releasing dlc and updates.
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Anon11/12/25, 08:49No.2231277
Both games are flawed because LOL HAESTINN MUH VIKINGS memes. I hate swedes.
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Anon11/17/25, 11:36No.2243504
CK2 released in 2012, Holy Fury in 2018
CK3 released in 2020
CK3 is now almost as old sice release as CK2 was when Holy Fury released.
Still no trade routes, investiture, proper Crusades, secret societies, trade republics.
That'll be all.
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Anon11/28/25, 20:29No.2267905
CK2 was best near release and completely ruined by retarded power fantasy fluff that barely passed for meaningful mechanics.
More mechanics doesn't make a game better. Look at chess.
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Anon11/28/25, 22:17No.2268131
>Muh models
>Muh graphics
>Muh roleplay
The only actual complain is the supposed impossibility of playing like a tyrant in CK2. 1) It would be good if it was the case. 2) It is unfortunately perfectly possible, there is even a fucking wiki page about it; https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Reign_of_tyranny
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Anon11/28/25, 22:50No.2268181
Seems like zoomer paradox fans are really invested in defending their slop, and hate the return to form in games like EU5
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Anon11/29/25, 01:44No.2268395
CK3 is good, but:
>missing mechanics
(can't even build fucking ships)
>gay and retarded
stuff (not surprised since the game was developed in the BBC capital of the world aka Sweden. Can't even have an option to remove faggots from the game, and w*men have the same prowess potential as men, etc)
>3D animations
are awful, remind me of earlier sims games.
>Events
are garbage. Mostly due to writing, and how limited you are in your choices (can't even execute a smelly pox ridden peasant that tried to flirt with my duke lmao)
>AI sucks
Nuff said
>useless non-relevant parts of the map
Like India or China. Who even plays there. All they do is eat up your pc's resources
>rng
The game is TOO reliant on it, too few actions can have a decisive outcome, whether positive or negative
>no DEUS VULT chant
C'mon, I know that swedish satanist hate christianity, but your game is called CRUSADER kings, you fucking imbeciles.
>too many jewish characters
50% of the time I try to hire someone for my court, game offers some jew or jewess. Needless to say that they immediately face justice, but the cooldown time between hiring attempts pisses me off
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Anon11/29/25, 08:05No.2268710
So i finally played some of this game A
after thousands of hours in CK2:
>UI is fucking atrocious, dispersive and lack soul
>Personal vassal contracts are a great idea
>Too much stuff fell to exist only for powerboosting (lifestyles, dynastic heritage)
>Language system is cool and i wish It would be expanded more, akin to culture. For example each religion should had a sacred languages
>Its a fucking disgrace that basic roleplay mechanics from CK2 (the missionary minigame to convert other kingdoms; investiture and anti-popes are not in the game yet)
>The hook system is very fun
>Cadet branches are fine. A little too much prolific maybe
>Some events take far too long to end and are very repetitive (coronations)Very mixed signals overals, and this is not a good signs for a five years old sequel. I didnt touch esoteric systems like the bugmen bureucracy (looks like recolored CK2 republics to me), the god-king shit in Indocina or the whole landless adventure system. Simply a standard western european feudal system
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Anon11/29/25, 14:05No.2269148
I enjoy CK3
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Anon11/30/25, 19:44No.2271696
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Anon12/01/25, 13:13No.2273065
CK2 was literally baby's first PDX game. It's where the floodgate of newfags, zoomers and retards came from.
And they are going to defend that game till their dying breath