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Anonymous10/23/25, 09:30No.2182453AOE2/WC3 Hybrid
I am currently in the early stages of developing a real-time strategy game that aims to combine elements from Age of Empires II and Warcraft III. Both of these titles have had a major influence on me as a player and as a designer. Age of Empires II is remarkable for its strategic depth, focus on economic management, and large-scale battles, although I have always felt it is somewhat limited in a few key areas, such as unique unit mechanics and hero-focused gameplay. Warcraft III, on the other hand, introduced those very features through its heroes, abilities, and more character-driven armies, yet it lost some of the depth found in other systems, particularly in the balance of ranged units, counter mechanics, and naval warfare.
My goal is to create a game that brings together the strongest qualities of both styles. I want to capture the grand scale and tactical complexity of Age of Empires II while incorporating the individuality, progression, and fantasy-driven personality of Warcraft III. The idea is to give players the satisfaction of building a thriving civilization and commanding large armies, while also offering memorable units, meaningful choices, and greater variety in strategy.
I would love to hear from the /vst/ community about what you would like to see in a project that blends these two approaches. Which mechanics or ideas from either Age of Empires II or Warcraft III do you think are essential to preserve, improve, or completely rework?
I am also open to suggestions for other RTS games that might serve as good sources of inspiration. Whether they are classic titles or more recent releases, I would really appreciate your thoughts on what makes those games stand out and what lessons they might offer for this project.
Thank you in advance for your insights. I am looking forward to hearing your ideas and discussing what could make an RTS like this both exciting and rewarding to play.
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Anon10/23/25, 09:43No.2182464
is it safe to assume that brown women who love white men are a key part of this game or is that an irrelevant lust provoking image
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Anon10/23/25, 09:46No.2182466
It could be..
>I am looking forward to hearing your ideas and discussing what could make an RTS like this both exciting and rewarding to play.
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Anon10/23/25, 09:57No.2182468
Yeah? Post some of your previous or at least current work. Lame attentionwhore.
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Anon10/23/25, 10:15No.2182476
Seven Kingdoms 1. I want it's siege and Inn.
>Harpoons, Ballista, Cannons, Unicorn.I want them to be broken up into sub types not just bombard but purpose types of siege weapons.
Eg. Small................Medium....................................Large
E.g. Hand Cannon, Mortar, Serpentine, Bombard, Grand Bombard.
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Anon10/23/25, 13:50No.2182635
Orcs are invited into militant kingdom after a war as refugees, it leads to an uprising the kingdom is destroyed, the remains of the kingdom those who survive purge the orcs and vowel never again to trust their kind. a strong leader emerges from this wearing an iron cross.
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Anon10/23/25, 15:12No.2182729
If you want example of RTS games with heroes there's stuff like DoW2 having commanders with their own wargear or AoE4 having the mongol's khan and Jeanne D'arc. The JD subfaction seems like the closest example of what you're looking for in a real and alive RTS game.
imo unit customization and hero mechanics in RTS are overrated and only serve to fuck up balance.That being said I doubt you'll get anything done considering how many retards fancy themselves gamedevs nowadays and your nothing burger wordsalad post is the telltale sign of the kind of overthinker that never even starts.
I will be shocked if you manage to make anything resembling an alpha and the chance of an indie rts not bombing are next to null so my advice would be to spend your time doing anything else, but if you have what it takes then good luck and I'm looking forward to playing whatever you make.
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Anon10/23/25, 16:24No.2182872
Use AoEII's gameplay as the core, but make the factions diverse in terms of units.
You could go and take some notes from Age of Mythology too.The only true difference would be the heroes.
Have them be like WCIII ones, but also take notes from the Warlords series (Battlecry sub-series of it to be precise) and give them an inventory that works like an actual inventory (helmet, armor, boots, gloves, weapon/great weapon, shield/other, ring slots, talisman slot, backpack slots, quick use slots for consumables).Hell, take further notes from Warlords and allow for the classes to be modded as they level up to fit specific roles. Will your Paladin be a tanky damage-sponge that can laugh at the big-ass demon whose doomblade shattered when it hit the Pally in the crotch? Or will he be a powerful support unit that can actively heal your whole army while damage any demon and undead at the same time just by being around?
I mean you could make them specialize on top of unlocking new abilities like WarCraft III heroes do it.
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Anon10/23/25, 16:39No.2182891
The two's complexity paradigms seem to be multiplicative in a way unlikely to be manageable to anyone but the turbo-sweats without serious structural changes to each and thus would devolve into an APM race to hell as a result of the obscene burst-fire capabilities from letting Blizzard spellcasters onto an AoE battlefield. My first thought for easing this is to go with squad-based units instead of individuals, so that some of AoE2's unit count and stats scaling can be offloaded into increasing manpower per unit and WC3 style support casters can be attached as specialists to apply large helpings of quality-of-life to many more of their abilities.This also eases the strain on disbelief in heroes turning the larger scale battles by having them lead or attach to units capable of pressuring such without the character, giving limited access to units without all of the standard techtree requirements to get "fun" things sooner in the match/campaign, loosen time and cost sensitivity of countermeasures, and access a one-off "keystone" without a large investment in otherwise-unused overhead.Creeping feels like a must to keep for WC3-in-specific identity and its early-game hero interactions, and I feel that the increased scale could be used well to turn WC3-style expansion fights and mercenary camps into minor faction bases with all the attendant opportunities of "creeps" having production, while AoE2-style scattered resources offer income for longer buildup strategies and organic competition points between minor factions.Another must to keep is user maps/campaigns. Yes, it's a pain to set up your codebase for, but it is utterly goddamn essential to the longevity of these games because it lets the consumers do the content treadmill for long-term engagement instead of you. If you lay a good foundation and let them build upon it, it won't matter if you give up on polishing it into a good game on its own merits.
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Anon10/23/25, 16:44No.2182903
non-consensual sex with Korra
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Anon10/23/25, 18:13No.2183020
AoE2 base building please(more building, more production buildings) but make sure that house walling isn't good. Make it so if you want a wall, you need to build a wall.
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Anon10/23/25, 20:27No.2183229
No thanks, one AoE2 is plenty enough for all the damage it's done to the genre. For once in your life do something right and give players game that hasn't been done to death. And if absolutely must ape something, pick a less overrated franchise, preferably one that's totally forgotten. How about Total Annihilation: Kingdoms? There's a billion SupClones doing nothing but sci-fi shit but not a single miserable dev ever gave this obscure fantasy classic a second chance. You can't fuck this up.
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Anon10/23/25, 20:44No.2183247
Do you have any idea what you're doing or are you just posting for gratification only to quit the "project" in two weeks after you get all of your (You)s and upcummies?
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Anon10/23/25, 20:45No.2183249
Leaving aside the fact that this will never come to anything and projects like RTS games of this scale are not one man affairs:A large part of why AoE 2 works and can get away with its more complex economic development is that its units are generic, rather than unique and mechanically complicated. This isn't just an issue of complexity burdening the player, but a matter of design. The identical set of units between civs and lower complexity of units allows civs to have clear strengths off fairly minor bonuses; AoE is ultimately a game about snowballing very minor advantages. Investing into the right resources to make the right units has heavy strategic weight to it that really can't exist alongside a mechanically complex unit roster. The WC3 style with heroes and very distinct, faction-specific units promotes a game where micro (even low APM micro, like correct ability usage) is much more impactful to the outcome of a fight than having 10% more knights.Also, having units with abilities or too high of a micro need would fucking suck in battles of 100+ units.
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Anon10/23/25, 21:27No.2183301
there’s better bleached edits of this image and it’s kinda distracting how bad this one is
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Anon10/24/25, 20:23No.2184607
Is Korra as bad as people say? Rewatched the original series recently and I've been thinking of finally giving her show a go to see what I make of it
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Anon10/25/25, 01:13No.2184927
Is Korra gonna be in it
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Anon10/25/25, 12:19No.2185235
more bleached pics please!
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Anon10/25/25, 15:07No.2185417
I feel like the hero system from WC3 would be a major thing in the alexander campain can't even find him half the time.
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Anon10/25/25, 18:13No.2185625
>Planetary Annihilation was 11y ago.
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Anon10/26/25, 22:18No.2187102
Pumping..
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Anon10/28/25, 22:00No.2190094
I think creeping is an essential element of WC3. How do you envision that working?
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Anon10/29/25, 11:01No.2190788
I don't give a fuck about Korra or Avatar in general but I like chocolate anime musclegirls
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Anon10/30/25, 03:04No.2192436
Asami's futa cock really converted Korra into a bleached bunny, huh?
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Anon10/30/25, 05:50No.2192577
I would really like autocast to be on every spell, actions, etc. allowing for AI to perform blocking arrows by using shield if arrow fire if autocast is on.Infinite production que like RON.
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Anon10/31/25, 09:50No.2193945
Not OP, but I figure I should bump this thread in honor of NNN starting tomorrow
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Anon10/31/25, 11:23No.2193996
FINE, I guess I'll jerk off to Korra...
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Anon11/01/25, 09:47No.2195678
Do you have single player, or laddering in mind?
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Anon11/01/25, 13:41No.2195870
I wouldn't mind an extreme female faction basically germany from the 40s.
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Anon11/02/25, 10:39No.2197679
I haven't played much AOE, but I think the upkeep system in WC3 was really important in the game's pacing.
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Anon11/02/25, 13:45No.2197964
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Anon11/04/25, 10:12No.2203083
I liked the day/night cycle in wc3. I wish Blizzard did more with it.
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Anon11/07/25, 10:31No.2214258
Taurens at fucking tier 2, Ned.
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Anon11/08/25, 09:24No.2217470
I like AOE2's more complex economy, with multiple different resources to manage. Lumber also doesn't scale very well in WC3.
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Anon11/09/25, 11:15No.2220959
Please make your elves less imba
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Anon11/11/25, 14:16No.2228505
Won't work.
Heroes units only shine when they have a major impact on any engagement's result. That's why WCIII has it's supply system push toward using small armies as much as possible, because if the masses get too big then the heroes become just a slightly stronger shmuck.Throwing that into AoEII much larger scale is bound to just not work, unless you boost heroes to the point they are actually stronger enough to have a major impact again - but then you will reach Dynasty Warrior-tier of powers.You are tie together two concepts that are going in perfectly opposite directions.
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Anon11/12/25, 04:23No.2231002
I think the different armor and attack types in Warcraft 3 are pretty integral. They're one of the things I think about most when laddering.
https://liquipedia.net/warcraft/Armor_and_Attack_types
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Anon11/17/25, 14:34No.2243822
Here's what, I'm currently thinking about rocketry.As i'd like to implement rocketry aswell, as cannons. Like stereotypical Chinese rockets think Mulan animated cartoon shoots the dragon rocket.OKAY! So. Soft attack, Hard attack, Piercings.If your familar with HOI4 you know those and AOE2 has some similar not fleshed out.So what would happen rockets would have high soft attack against low armored troops, but heavily armored things like knights would be useless.
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Anon11/25/25, 14:02No.2261141
Blend of aoe and wc3? Curious how that would work. Aoe 4 at least have different builds that is more "diverse"(hate that word) than wc3. So its cool to have optional buildings within a faction. Instead of just spamming bears and go demon hunter.i also assume its without hero exp? But then its harder to balance the hero or make them relevant outside the early game. Aoe4 have some kind of hero unit already and sometimes they fall off once the giga chad units in T4 are out. Maybe Hero units have different kind of spells or abilities with long cooldowns. So you balance its power with risk. for example a big aoe explotion, with 3sec cast time. 20min cd.Also another idea, make a elf faction that have both chokolade elfs and white elfs. Make em hot and their skin colour is based on the build order you choose.
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Anon11/29/25, 09:01No.2268737
Hey, OP! I think your game should include elements of Hindu mythology. There are many tales that mirror the hero-unit system in WC3. Specifically the tale of Hanuman setting fire to Lanka, flying across the ocean to locate Sita, and leading an army of monkeys into battle against the demon-king Ravana, is very reminiscent of the story of Prince Arthas purging Strahnbrad, then leading his forces to Northrend to face Mal'ganis.
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Anon11/29/25, 10:31No.2268809
Actual strategy gamedev here, you are already going about it the wrong way. I've read a lot of lore in this thread but less than 5% was about mechanics, coding, or how the game will actualy work.There is a massive discrepancy when it comes to user-dev discussions that most people dont understand, when you make a thread like this, people will give "suggestions" like "wow, you should make the elves do backflips when shooting arrows, that would be sooo cool!!". When in reality what you need is mechanical information on how to code and organize the X Y axis coordinates so that the elf model dosent fly off the screen, and how to make sure a projectile is generated at the exact moment the elf sprite/model is facing direction X at rotation Z.Any idiot can come up with a billion great ideas, a gamedev is someone who can actualy implement them, make them work without frying the users cpu, and make sure every tiny action a unit takes dosent break every other line of parallel code keeping the game working together.This may sound mean but i'am just going to be honest: If you are trying to make some "dream game' with 0 prior experience you are going to fail catastrophicaly. This is double for RTS games wich are by nature extremely complicated to code and get working. There is a reason most companies are terrified of trying to do RTS, its not jus about the small market for it, but that the games themselves are incredibly hard to make compared to something like like an action adventure or fps game.Have you considere making the game turn-based instead of real time? That alone makes strategy games much easier to make and obscenely less demanding on the users ( specs of the intended audience would actualy be able to play it).Something else i notice from potato brain "ideas people" is that they want this and that and the other thing and etcetc and they dont understand that hardware capable of running that smoothly wont be invented for another 10-15 years
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Anon12/01/25, 05:35No.2272691
Bump
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Anon12/01/25, 07:22No.2272757
this thread has been hard carried by delicious brown women
no one in this thread is a game dev, has experience in game dev, or will ever be a game dev
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Anon12/01/25, 10:25No.2272915
I would do anything for Korra. Post more!
