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Anonymous01/03/26, 03:00No.3903029
>hear people complain how black and white fallout 3 is and how much better new vegas is
>play new vegas
>first conflict: help the town that selflessly saved your life or side with bandits to slaughter them for no reason
Obsidian don't do 'grey'. They do 'painfully obviously good/evil'
New Vegas is honestly one of the best examples of this
Most of the choices are literally 'kill the nice people/innocents or else let the evil guys take over'
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Anon01/03/26, 03:02No.3903031
>Obsidian don't do 'grey'.
Good.
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Anon01/03/26, 12:23No.3903266
Yeah that's what happens in Fallout
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Anon01/03/26, 12:41No.3903272
You might not believe this, but the game's moral complexity evolves along with the rest of the game's systems, it's almost as if they built an actual narrative arc and tailored the gameworld to convey it. Crazy thought, huh?
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Anon01/03/26, 16:17No.3903337
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/729908950/#729908950
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Anon01/03/26, 17:34No.3903362
Or side with Cobb because Benny was right about you, and Doc saving you was a mistake.
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Anon01/04/26, 03:07No.3903612
Fallout 3 has more moral ambiguity than Fallout New Vegas.
Some retard is going to think that I am saying Fallout 3 is the better game.
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Anon01/04/26, 03:48No.3903629
You can ignore it. Which seems pretty Grey. I recommend following the road north and to find the secret loot in the quarry
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Anon01/11/26, 15:22No.3907583
NV is very black and white at first, but once you meet house some things become grey, like how "good" the NCR really is, or how you have to take down all the side factions just to please him. once you get to yes man things get even greyer because he explains why house wanted to take down each faction, and the player gets to decide whether or not each would be good for the future or not.
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Anon01/11/26, 18:56No.3907640
The Goodsprings-Powder Gangers situation allows you to establish the morality of your character from the get go in a reasonable and logical way.
You take the town's side as a way to return the favor since they saved you, or disregard that and side with the bandits which is what anyone would logically do as they are reportedly better armed and numerous than the militia raised by the town.
>painfully obviously good/evil
Considering Goodsprings as a "good side" is retarded anyway, if you speak with the townies some are willing to fight, others want to throw Ringo to the wolves and some don't care. Sunny wants to help Ringo (whom you don't even know) and should be considered good, Mitchell gives you supplies, Trudy and the others need to be persuaded so they're not exactly that good.
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Anon01/11/26, 19:06No.3907642
The goodsprings powder ganger situation feels pointless and boring but I keep feeling obligated to do it every playthrough even though I saw it for the rudimentary tutorial town junk it was on my first time. It even has an ending slide.
I wish there was more to it.
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Anon01/11/26, 23:43No.3907787
Morality is a secondary consideration to faction reputation in New Vegas. They still kept the karma system but it's not the primary concern. In Fallout 3 Karma was a much bigger deal because it affects your perk choices, which player house you can get, which companions you have access to, and influences your random encounters. In New Vegas the only companion who factors in your karma is Cass (and you have to kill her anyway to complete Birds of a Feather, so it's a feature that can quite possibly just never come up in your playthrough), and you only get 1 random encounter related to karma and you need to have evil karma for it.
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Anon01/11/26, 23:44No.3907788
Goodsprings foreshadows the main quest of NV by showing both sides of a conflict, making you pick a side and then having to gather allies for the side you picked.
Similarly, Primm and Nipton are used to introduce NCR and Legion respectively by showing how they both deal with a town full of criminals.
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Anon01/12/26, 04:09No.3907966
The biggest problem with New Vegas is the narrative hook doesn't work after you reach Benny (I'd argue the whole Benny plot doesn't work either. Going alone after someone who shot you and you know nothing about, stupid. Guy is chilling right beside the billionaire he just mugged, stupid).Your character is a mailman, he has no reason to stay in New Vegas or get involved in its local politics. All these kooky leaders defer to you and give you the time of day but from their perspective you're some random pleb wandering around aimlessly. You don't have anything to offer them. It's very obvious that the writers were most excited to do the Choose Your Colour politics stuff and put the story and characterisation on the backburner.The whole mess comes to a fore in that DLC with the dreadlocks guy because he's pontificating and waxing eulogies about your character as if this mailman is the centre of the universe. But he has no reason to know or care about you. No one in NV does.
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Anon01/12/26, 06:07No.3908026
Goodspring is just a glorified tutorial level. It basically just teaches you multiple ways to beat the towns quest and the basic function on reputation system. Somehow Josh Sawyer and his team managed to show you how game mechanic works without telling you directly.
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Anon01/12/26, 09:19No.3908093
My son, don't you see, there are no nice people or "innocents" in the world./cynicism
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Anon01/12/26, 10:56No.3908123
>uhhh wow wtf??
>this literal tutorial town is literally a tutorial?
retardthat said, while goodsprings as a faction is literally designed solely to introduce you to the full range of faction/reputation mechanics within the span of 15mins; the powdergangers dont have as good of an excuse. they actually ARE given a few quests outside the ghosttown gunfight one, they HAVE a base, a leader, some vendors, a doc, and even hit squads if you piss em off. theyre clearly supposed to be an actual faction. but it obv ran into the same problem as the legion ran outta time.
its explicitly stated that both the gangers in primm, as well as the ones in vault 19, are powdergangers. but no matter what your rep is when you get there, vault 19 isnt hostile, and primm IS. neither groups are even labeled as faction members
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Anon01/12/26, 12:15No.3908148
I think it’s good game design to have both grey and black and white. For one, if you’re role playing as evil, then you do butcher the town that saved you. And that’s fun. Loot them. Carry on questing. But if you’re just a normal player sometimes the battle between good and evil is fun. And then sometimes it’s fun when both parties have a good case. I remeber thinking the party system was a bit jank (can’t remeber why) but the quests were not the weak point of that game.
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Anon01/12/26, 18:18No.3908311
yeah its almost like the game is shitthe NCR legion crap is more black and white than stormcloaks and imperials but no one called skyrim nuancedgood thing for obsidian they knew how effective shilling on 4chan was
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Anon01/12/26, 22:31No.3908478
house is too sympathetic in this game, i think they really wanted you to side with him
>b-but what if hes lying
its not like he can do any damage to a world thats shit to begin with
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Anon01/12/26, 22:52No.3908490
False equivalence>first conflict: help the town that selflessly saved your life or side with bandits to slaughter them for no reason
The capacity for choice is much greater in New Vegas not because it does not give quests with more outcomes (it does, btw) but because it gives more meaningful choices for how to resolve the quest in the achievement of those outcomes.
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Anon01/13/26, 01:06No.3908590
The game should have n outcomes for every quest in the game
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Anon01/13/26, 03:28No.3908683
The game allows you to kill both the powder gangers and the town inhabitants.
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Anon01/13/26, 16:19No.3908946
More importantly, it doesn't feel like jet induced fever dream, like F3 does. It has silly things too, like all Fallout games, but at least it feels more real and serious.
F3 is just terrible at everything besides being a hobo looter, which is nice, but I can do that in NV.
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Anon01/16/26, 22:19No.3910861
I never understood why Mr house has you keep working for him or why the ncr and legion both want you. It is entirely possible to play a character who gets the platinum chip nd delivers it who is entirely illsuited to handle the rest of the main quest. Following benny isn't *that* impressive especially for the ncr and legion to want you too.
Everyone is just a bit too obsessed with the courier and sucking his dick to be honest.
And that guy saying it's a good thing the powder gangers are irrelevant is off his rocker. They should have done more to tie goodsorings and the powder gingers into the world. It feels like such an irrelevant place yet gets its own ending slide. The correctional facility gets its own slide despite so little going on there and being easy to miss.
My proposal is the powder gangers doing more to establish themselves politically and guaranteeing their safety through short sighted alliances with maybe the kahns or the legion. With an additional route to have them fight for hoover dam in exchange for pardons (and giving them less cartoonish characterization)
I would give Goodsprings a follow up quest similar to primm where they decide if they'll align with the NCR. Having both primm and goodsprings being NCR would result in more normal patrols of the entire western part of the map
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Anon01/21/26, 08:44No.3913145
growing up is realising Fallout always sucked and was hard carried by the aesthetics.
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Anon01/24/26, 20:44No.3915028
Obsidian always does a shit poor job. They have made nothing worthwhile, and NWN2 was their worst
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Anon01/27/26, 20:24No.3916507
you are the same person who made the BG2-Thread arent you?
