why this thing has so many rabid loyal drones who

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Anon09/04/26, 02:34No.98619163

A better system just hasn't come along to replace it in the mainstream And no, pathfinder and draw steel are not the answer

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Anon09/04/26, 02:42No.98619177

>bad faith troll wonders why his obvious agenda-oriented shitposting he pretends is just innocent criticism about the most popular RPG he targets specifically just so he might receive the attention he's desperate to get might be received negatively Gee I dunno.

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Anon09/04/26, 03:11No.98619275

The system unironically works and has the networking effect (yes that is a term) working to allow for games to be easily had. This is a self serving cycle for DnD. That said there are other systems that do some things DnDon't. I'm pretty sure DnD is at it's best when it is used for medieval-renaissance era fantasy.If you really hate DnD 5e you can take comfort in that because it may as well be the face of the TTRPG medium where 40k is the face of the Wargaming medium, it catches a lot of trend chasing "tourists" and serves as a net where genuine newcomers to the medium get through to the more niche stuff. But at the end of the day a game is best when it is with friends and if DnD works then it does.

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Anon09/04/26, 03:28No.98619333

Because it makes contrarians like (you) seethe and mald, and anyone who says D&D is anything more or less than painfully average is a lying faggot.

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Anon09/04/26, 03:46No.98619401

>why this thing has so many rabid loyal drones who take any criticism as a personal insult That's not pathfinder. Seriously though, no it fucking doesn't. Even the most basic reddit fans of it don't act like that about it. The biggest, most devout fans of the system? No one fucks with, hacks, homebrews, or house rules the system more than them. It's like coffee, where hardly anyone likes it black, most need to add a lot of shit to it.It's the fucking coca cola of TTRPGs. Even if you never order it, it's on every menu. If it weren't the default backup choice then something else would be, and that something else would probably be almost identical. Is it actually good? Probably no one says so without a huge asterisk that leads to an essay about what they personally would or do change or their list of complaints.You though, OP, are doing that tourist thing where you know a thing is complained about here but because you don't fucking play TTRPGs you don't know why and assume it's because of the fans or some shit. You made up a fucking boogeyman to make a thread about. Nah. The people who for whatever reason actually love DnD complain about it more than anyone else. It's that kind of shit.People hate it because it's the default, it's not the best, and they'd rather play something else but struggle to get people to join them. And people would more often preter the thing they know over learning a new system. And that's really fucking annoying.

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Anon09/04/26, 04:01No.98619436

Since it's 90% of everything it's hard notOk maybe I can find a Pathfinder game in a week. Or maybe in a month I can find a game of some other system.But if I want a game that has any sort of specifics......no. That's not happening. The only way I will get my bisexual furry fetish RPG experience is in a DND 5e system. And I've already been kicked out of two different groups in session zero for complaining about how crappy the system is.

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Anon09/04/26, 04:35No.98619554

That's not 40K, retard. D&Drones seem measured and reasonable compared to your average Warhammer cumguzzler

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Anon09/04/26, 04:40No.98619568

d&d is probably the most performative ttrpg out there

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Anon09/04/26, 07:24No.98620054

>Le DnD is california because of these pieces of art that have no bearing on the rules or way you play what so ever.I've been to California. Those don't even LOOK like California. So these retards are doubly wrong. Not only did you guys fail the Int check (what is California), the Wisdom check (can I play DnD how I want if there is art of gay elves), but you also failed the Charisma check (come up with a good insult). God no wonder you all play human fighters. Your mental stats are negative modifiers.

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Anon09/04/26, 07:41No.98620098

Stating your garbage as a question implies that the statement is true and makes the targets consider it as true and make up reasons why it may be true, while in reality it's still absurd garbage. Every thread starting with "why" is garbage. On every board.

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Anon09/04/26, 07:54No.98620119

most people were groomed into it from their rpg infancy so they are bound to have positive feelings about it even if the game mechanically sucked simply due to the novelty of the experience and the sheer fun and wonder it provided, not because 5e is some stellar rpg but because rpgs are fun. If you have fun with something you dont want to change it or let it go. Combine that with the modern era where your identity is severely tied to the things you like and then heavily monetised and turned insular and this is how you get dnddrones It is also the same way you get 40k drones or mtg drones.Most of the 5e haters are people that started with 5e and abandoned it were those who for either internal or external reasons, meaning their group sucked or the game didnt do what they wanted or were expecting and then found something else and they had to define themselves with how much they dislike 5e or performative contrarians mostly and maybe the occasional oldfag that was forced to play in a 5e game and hated it.

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Anon09/04/26, 08:11No.98620171

Sunk cost fallacy, accessibility (tools that integrate 5e rules, SRD), a game system that heavily leans to player facing content (which foster fidelisation at playerbase level, which trump by sheer numbers the game masters numbers), mainstream recognition (historical, vidya, pop culture, actual plays, CR). Also most of casualets are in for playing DeeNDee specifically, not ttrpgs as whole, effectively d&d is an hobby on its own.

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Anon09/04/26, 13:17No.98620896

Some fans of D&D are exactly like sone people who are Playstation fanboys or Apple fags; the brand becomes a part of their identity, unironically.

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Anon09/04/26, 14:09No.98621058

>98621052 How does a troll like this end up here and think anyone could take him seriously?

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Anon09/04/26, 14:59No.98621289

>This destroys the 5E schizo

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Anon09/04/26, 16:57No.98621749

Lots of reasons. One that I don't see mentioned very often is progressive complexity. At level 1, the game is extraordinarily easy to understand for anyone. There are no variables, nothing to remember, and all the things you can do are very very basic. Then complexity gets tacked on as you level. Unless the DM levels you way too fast or throws an extraordinary number of magical items at the party, that extra level of complexity will not overwhelm you. Some systems are way more complicated, fair and functional, but they're more complex right at the start. The entry to start playing it is much higher, which exhausts people who haven't played before.

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Anon09/04/26, 17:11No.98621808

1. TTRPGs are the only "nerd" hobby with the monopoly that dire and normalfags always flock to big brands (40k is alike, but it is more like a media franchise now than a game, so it is not the same). What is the point of playing if then you can't tell people that you were totally a horny bard? You also now can watch TikTok and understand all these memes where the title "Tabaxi rogue" is written under a cat video. Previously, only "Khajiit rogue" was funny. But now you are a total nerd and get it. 2. TTRPGs are the only hobby you can play without reading or even knowing the rules. The prospect of actually engaging with the rules and not just using an online database is abysmal for a regular normalfag, even if it means "rules can be learnt in 15 minutes of the session zero". 3. It is simply a bad product. Something important for nerd-rejects who can claim mastery of the system or something like that while being too stupid to play board games or video games competitively. Also, this

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Anon09/04/26, 19:01No.98622322

DnD only people are retards but you have to understand that people invest hundreds/thousands of dollars and hours into games they like so they're going to have a defensive reaction if you attack them.I think it also doesn't help that evangelists for other games are extremely annoying. There's always a dude making a drive-by comment screaming at you to play GURPS without explaining why it's good(like the equivalent of BBC spammers on 4chan). Or how every Warhammer rival has to stress about how they're a cool manly competitive game here to finally overthrow 40K.

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Anon09/04/26, 19:34No.98622523

Its not that there are loyal dnd fans, its just that dnd is the most popular ttrpg brand, which makes it so the majority of casuals play it and play nothing elseTo put it in a /v/ terms. dnd players are cod players.

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Anon09/04/26, 19:36No.98622532

Those "rabid loyal drones" have simply compartmentalised the brand where a normie would put his favorite sportsball team. I know it's a gross over-simplification, but that's what it is. A D&D geek captured by the brand will defend his favorite edition as a "good system" and think less of anyone who disagrees because his "team" is the brand. They are one punch away from being the same as football hooligans. You are now imagining a bunch of sweaty nerds using their fists as clumsy ineffective bludgeons as they argue over 3.5e vs. 5e, resulting in half the city burning down

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Anon09/04/26, 20:32No.98622860

American normie problem, they form their identities from brand loyalty and see the stuff they consume as vital part of themselves.

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Anon09/05/26, 00:28No.98623985

>Criticism of the game is an insult to the player Every fanbase has this problem. D&D's fanbase is just the largest, so the people who take criticism too seriously are the most obvious. On /tg/ specifically, it's also just a bunch of jobless and/or gameless losers playing the age old game of trolls trolling trolls.

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Anon09/06/26, 07:21No.98630042

It's a conquered IP. They want to keep it the forefront of tabletop and will attack anything that hasn't bent the knee to their flag or is made by one of them. Why do you think they went after ACKS so hard. The creator wasn't queer or someone who would be an ally to gay mobs. The problem is when something gets taken over, unless it big. They often die quickly by them. So when they take the biggest IPs they IP suffers but they have to keep attacking anything else to prevent something from taking over. However, the free ride from Blackrock and USAid is gone. So now they have to go back to making a profit over push the message for grants and sweetheart loans. Which is killing most of the IP that was went with the message over making stuff for the fans. I think it in 10 years WOTC will be sold off or basically a license anyone can buy to make their IP if people even still bother with D&D.

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Anon09/06/26, 08:12No.98630241

I like alot of DnD's mechanics and wish other games would be d20 based and implement things like AC, Saving Throws and giving abilities resource costs that refresh on rest.While it's not the perfect fit for everything, people have an assumption that DnD's mechanics are only good for medieval fantasy dungeon crawling games, but I think they could be applied to alof of different genres.When you read shit like Daggerheart it feels like they're trying to re invent the wheel for the sake of it.

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Anon09/06/26, 15:53No.98631412

Mostly because it's really obvious that 90% of criticisms are >nogame politicaly motivated seethe >people hating the popular thing for being popular >people hating the new edition for not being the old edition But above all >bad faith arguments that ignore the fact your table is well, YOUR fucking table DnD the least interesting system I play to me, but it does what it says on the cover, it's easy to find a group and there is a lot of official material. And the reality of it is, a good group with good material in an okay-ish system will always outshine a bad group in even the greatest system.

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Anon09/08/26, 03:26No.98639708

>who take any criticism as a personal insult? Because the internet is full of autistic antisocial retards who can't manage the social grace to not insult people who like things they don't like, so people have gotten a little touchy about it.

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Anon09/08/26, 07:17No.98640256

Maybe 10% of the anti-D&D posts on this board contain actual criticism of the system.

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Anon09/08/26, 10:41No.98640662

Its quite actually fate >A worse game will, usually, attract dumber people >Dumber people are more likely to behave like that >The worst game, therefore, usually has the dumbest and more aggressive fans

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Anon09/08/26, 18:38No.98642396

The average D&D player doesn't know that other systems exist and thinks that any criticism towards D&D is an attempt to shut down the entire tabletop medium.

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Anon09/08/26, 19:36No.98642794

You guys keep talking about rabid D&D defenders but I've never encountered them in the wild. Everyone I've met who likes D&D openly admits they like it because its an incredibly simple system with convenient apps to make it simpler and an ultra generic homebrew friendly kitchen sink setting. It has flaws and stupid modern bullshit but you can just ignore it. They just don't see these as inherently bad things because they aren't, and with such simple and loose rules you can easily just ignore or change anything you don't like

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Anon09/08/26, 20:03No.98642976

5e just has an incredibly kitsch presentation, it's character sheets are bloated, there is hardly any actual features and anything interesting is locked behind concentration.

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Anon09/10/26, 00:03No.98649247

You remember dudes in school who would just repeat a favorite verse? What happened to those dudes? Did they all die out?

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