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Anonymous03/10/26, 22:53No.97688874
>"It's over, Bard! I am immune to enchantment spells!"
>"[Roll: Diplomacy 57] You should kill yourself."
>"Yes, I should kill myself because even with the -20 penalty my relationship has went from Hostile to Reverant from the sheer scale of your skill check." *BLAM*
How do you fix this without making it gay and lame like 4e's skill challenges?
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Anon03/10/26, 22:58No.97688898
speech checks arent mind control, so you cant force them to do something they wouldnt normally doit could just simply intimidate them and cause them to wonder if the bard has a trick they dont know about
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Anon03/10/26, 23:04No.97688925
Limits on how much a single check can actually do for you.
Limits on how many checks you can make against a given target per day/session/week/year.
Make diplomacy and other social skills having huge rolls more relevant for influencing huge groups at once rather than influencing a single individual into cultist-like devotion in a single interaction.
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Anon03/10/26, 23:24No.97689020
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Anon03/10/26, 23:37No.97689079
By not being retarded?
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Anon03/10/26, 23:45No.97689122
Make it straight and awesome like 4e's skill challenges.
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Anon03/10/26, 23:58No.97689189
the only edition where diplomacy let you do outright mind control did have it resisted as if were actual magical mind control
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Anon03/10/26, 23:59No.97689193
Someone's been playing Mass Effect 1 again huh
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Anon03/11/26, 00:19No.97689294
Have a GM
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Anon03/11/26, 01:31No.97689586
Based on how Diplomacy works in most games. This guy was already suicidal, he just needed the encouragement.
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Anon03/11/26, 02:58No.97689867
>How do you fix this
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Anon03/11/26, 10:42No.97690827
Have you tried not playing D&Dogshit?
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Anon03/11/26, 12:13No.97690976
Where does it say in the rules that you can make people kill themselves?Hell, where does it say in the rules that you can make people do anything that they wouldn't normally do?
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Anon03/11/26, 12:23No.97691011
If you want it to be a mechanic, you have to track some system of influence relative to time and number of successes. I don't really know the 4e skill challenges very well, but most of the things called skill challenges I've done have felt very artificial. I would if trying to mechanically represent this probably have a number of things that can be discovered using insight or research about a character, that then make different things possible with diplomacy checks, with a scoring system. I also like how BRP has an Appearance score and multiple variations on the diplomacy skill like Charm or Persuade or Command for different approaches that should work better on different people, and that different characters are better at. Diplomacy tends to be either irrelevant or god-skill, so splitting it up helps if you're going to have it matter.If you just want to resolve the issue without tick boxes of progress and skill challenge stuff then you as a GM need to just arbitrarily decide ahead of time what +37 Diplomacy means, and how supernatural an effect that can achieve, and how literally supernatural you're going to treat it. As in antimagic effecting it or resistance to spells. So long as the players know ahead of time, and understand it can be done back to them, then it's fair.
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Anon03/11/26, 14:57No.97691545
Use the system from Exalted 3e. People have Intimacies, which are Minor, Major, and Defining. You can only Persuade somebody to do something that's almost certain death with a Defining Intimacy. You can't raise an Intimacy's rank more than once per scene, so you can't talk somebody from zero to Defining over one session.Thus, if you want to persuade somebody to kill themselves, you have to either slowly work them into the kind of psychotic loyalist you need, or play on some preexisting extremely intense value they hold.
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Anon03/11/26, 15:00No.97691569
You're the DM. Say 'it doesnt work'. Simple!
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Anon03/11/26, 15:40No.97691814
roleplaying.
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Anon03/11/26, 15:43No.97691833
By punching your teeth off your mouth and throwing you down concrete stairs.
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Anon03/11/26, 16:15No.97692000
Does any edition of DnD even have rules for "killing yourself" on the spot?
You can't coup-de-grace yourself, since the target needs to be helpless. Performing a melee attack against yourself is questionable (and likely won't one-shot you anyway). You can throw AoE spell/effect with yourself in the range, which again, likely won't one-shot. And for single targe spells it's case-by-case is self is a legal target. Eg. (5e) Power Word Kill has "One creature you can see within range." Which spins off into a debate whether you can you see yourself (for the purpose of targeting spells).
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Anon03/11/26, 16:56No.97692162
By informing anyone who tries such retardation that I'm going to drag them away from my table into my garden, where I will bash their head into pulp with a chunk of my rockery and bury them under the compost heap.
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Anon03/11/26, 18:29No.97692523
>how do you fix this problem that doesn't actually exist?
You should kill yourself.
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Anon03/11/26, 19:25No.97692771
By actually bothering to read the fucking rules, retard.
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Anon03/11/26, 22:29No.97693605
The penalty is -120.
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Anon03/12/26, 05:31No.97695331
>How do you fix this
Reading the rules helps
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Anon03/12/26, 14:57No.97696897
>>@Everyone
Counterpoint: If you ignore the RAW and just go "DM says no" then you may as well be playing a storyslop game
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Anon03/12/26, 23:17No.97699713
You will only roll diplomacy if I call for it. Skills arent a hammer you just strike people with to solve your problems.
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Anon03/14/26, 20:37No.97708284
that's impossible