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Anonymous01/28/26, 02:16No.97454623Changing Things
You ever feel that some players have a weird obsession with - basically - upending a setting's status quo and otherwise making 'big changes'? I'm not sure I'm phrasing it correctly, but let me give it an example.
The party's Warlock really, really resents being under a pact and really resents the Gods. He feels that they're all tyrants and shouldn't be worshipped.
As the party's Cleric, and a devout Cleric, I think I annoy the shit out of him just by actually LIKING the Gods and the current system. Which can't be changed anyway, because it's fundamental to how the game is played.
It's like they're projecting some kind of iconoclastic tendencies onto the campaign world, even when it's explicitly not Christian morality.
I'm playing to have adventures in the setting, not change it drastically.
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Anon01/28/26, 02:24No.97454656
That just sounds like two players who have different motivations and overall goals not clicking together in the same group. Yeah, some players do go a bit overboard in trying to make a huge impact on the game's setting for its own sake. But it might not be to steal the spotlight or ruin someone else's fun. It might be just how they wanted to have fun for that campaign, by doing something that would feel meaningful and impressive. Like someone deciding their end goal should be to become a noble, or someone deciding their character wants to fight a dragon before the campaign is over.Still, if you're getting cheesed by this Warlock on a personal level, just talk to him. An atheist Warlock in and of itself doesn't mean jack, he could just be roleplaying the character's general resentment over his position. If the character was actively desecrating temples and trying to pick fights with your Cleric, that's a different story. But just being a seething mutterer about how he hates the gods isn't exactly "upending the setting's status quo" in and of itself.
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Anon01/28/26, 02:31No.97454688
Is this in-character irritation, or out-of-character irritation on the warlock's part? In-character irritation is perfectly reasonable, a point of character friction to make the campaign interesting. Out-of-character irritation is him having problems with you.
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Anon01/28/26, 02:50No.97454784
I don't use Reddit.
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Anon01/28/26, 02:57No.97454811
Are you just obsessed with Clerics, or what? How many threads have you made just to talk about Clerics?
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Anon01/28/26, 04:30No.97455131
>You ever feel that some players have a weird obsession with - basically - upending a setting's status quo and otherwise making 'big changes'?
Didn't half the classes in the older dnds end up raising a fortress/megachurch/kingdom? Upending a setting's status quo is ingrained into the hobby's DNA
>The party's Warlock really, really resents being under a pact and really resents the Gods. He feels that they're all tyrants and shouldn't be worshipped.
Sounds like your Warlock player knows how to play Warlocks. Everyone and their mom have heard about how the term Warlock comes from old english meaning "pact breaker", being insatisfied with how you're some entitie's bitch for a bit of power is pretty much the class description.
>As the party's Cleric, and a devout Cleric, I think I annoy the shit out of him just by actually LIKING the Gods and the current system. Which can't be changed anyway, because it's fundamental to how the game is played.
Sounds like what I'd expect from a Warlock closely interacting with a Cleric.
It's like they're projecting some kind of iconoclastic tendencies onto the campaign world, even when it's explicitly not Christian morality.
Why would non-christian morality preclude rebellion against it? Other civilizations have had wars and strife in our history.
>I'm playing to have adventures in the setting, not change it drastically.
Unless you plan to die before level 10, having advantures IS drastically changing the setting. If you kill a 15th level wizard you just offed one of the world's largest powers in most settings.
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Anon01/28/26, 06:30No.97455778
"Gods never helped me much." - My rogue.
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Anon01/28/26, 17:40No.97458490
Contrarian losers who feel powerless in their own lives exercise their frustration via the "safety" of a game, trusting in the forbearance of their fellow players for their masturbatory behavior.
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Anon01/29/26, 03:44No.97461725
Bizarrely when I played with actual communists they tend to be a bit more comfortable with just living in the system they lived in. Might have to do something with that dialectical materialism shit they yap on about. I think that psycho analyzing this shit is more of a projection from you than them though. They might just want to test your abilities as a DM while you read into their intentions with maybe a bit of envy?
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Anon01/29/26, 04:13No.97461823
>You ever feel that some players have a weird obsession with - basically - upending a setting's status quo and otherwise making 'big changes'?
Because that's what a lot of stories are about. The Protagonists are forces of change, and that's what the Player Characters are - protagonists of the story emerging at the table. If their actions aren't having any effect on the world, you're denying them agency. You might as well write a novel.
>The party's Warlock really, really resents being under a pact and really resents the Gods. He feels that they're all tyrants and shouldn't be worshipped.
I can't say that's justified or not without knowing more about the character.
>As the party's Cleric, and a devout Cleric, I think I annoy the shit out of him just by actually LIKING the Gods and the current system.
Again, see above.
>Which can't be changed anyway, because it's fundamental to how the game is played.
What system? Because I see no reason why a sufficiently powerful group of individuals could not overthrow gods. It's happened in D&D lore at least twice if not more, that's what the fucking spellplague was.
>It's like they're projecting some kind of iconoclastic tendencies onto the campaign world, even when it's explicitly not Christian morality.
The character is beholden to a pact with some entity that seeks to use them, and your description implies they've been screwed by the clergy before, likely what got them into their pact.
>I'm playing to have adventures in the setting, not change it drastically.
The player characters are THE driving force. By having adventures in the setting, you will change it drastically whether you want to or not.If you don't want to be a protagonist and want to be a glup shitto NPC who amounts to nothing, bail on the game because you don't seem to grasp the concept of what a Player Character is.
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Anon01/29/26, 04:26No.97461846
>You ever feel that some players have a weird obsession with - basically - upending a setting's status quo and otherwise making 'big changes'?
Fun to have something to work for, getting invested in the setting beyond just your character.