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Anonymous01/26/26, 05:15No.97442678
Should Clerics actually exist? Paladins already fulfill the 'holy warrior' archetype, and there's not really any historical analogues for what the Cleric is. When holy miracles did supposedly manifest in mythology, it was never in the manner that the Cleric does it on the battlefield, and they certainly were never known for magic (any people that were known for 'magic' apply to the other classes moreso).
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Anon01/26/26, 05:20No.97442688
Turpin, despite being one of Charlemagne's Paladins, fits the Cleric class a lot better.
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Anon01/26/26, 05:21No.97442691
you could ask the same question with slightly altered details for every class, einstein
you're retarded and just want to argue over the autistic thought of the hour
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Anon01/26/26, 05:22No.97442693
>historical analoguesApart from fighters what class does have one?If you don't want Clerics in your game for whatever reason, just say they aren't allowed because you don't like them - don't hide behind "historical justification."
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Anon01/26/26, 06:27No.97442923
The way I divide them is that Clerics are a means for their god to speak, while paladins are the blade of their god.Clerics preach, they spread their faith, they do deeds in the name of their god.Paladins are warriors. They smite the foes of their god with divine power, and take action on behalf of their god.I also view it as rangers are to paladins what druids are to clerics. Druids hallow the grounds of nature and tend to its needs, speaking on its behalf, while rangers strike down those who fail to heed the warnings of the druids with fury.
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Anon01/26/26, 06:34No.97442946
Neither Sorcerers nor Warlocks are INT based.
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Anon01/26/26, 06:34No.97442951
>this thread again
Hey fuckheads op is just reposting shit from the catalogue to farm replies. Get your shit together and stop taking the bait for once in your 80 iq lives
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Anon01/26/26, 06:50No.97443007
>Sorcerers are based on the concept that a magic person might have some fairy or demon in their family background
Really they're based on capeshit. They're the capeshit class.
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Anon01/26/26, 06:51No.97443011
Clerics should exist but they shouldn't be armor-wearing melee classes. That's where you run into the issue of them fighting for the same niche as the Paladin. They should be the divine magic equivalent of Wizards/Sorcerers; cloth-wearing squishies who stand behind the front line. Like how World of Warcraft does it. If you want to be an armored melee "Cleric" then that's what the Paladin class is for.
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Anon01/26/26, 09:23No.97443367
Replace "clerics" with "priests" and it becomes much more obvious in which way they differ from paladins.
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Anon01/26/26, 14:48No.97444298
Clerics are based on the Knights Templar, Van Hellsing, and figures like Odo of Bayeux, which is why they wear armor and didn't use bladed weapons originally (since Odo used a ceremonial blunt weapon due to being a noble). The very first cleric that kicked off the entire archetype was an antagonist NPC going after a vampire PC. In later campaigns, players wanted to play as the same thing that NPC was.
Paladins are based on classic chivalric knights in shining armor, which is why they had such high stat and moral bars to clear and were merely an enhancement to the fighter class (which represented less perfect knights, among other things) rather than a whole class to themselves.
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Anon01/26/26, 14:52No.97444318
>historical analogues
lol sorta
This was the original cleric.
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Anon01/26/26, 15:13No.97444423
I see your point anon, however the game needed a full divine caster for balance. That's the end all be all. If Psionics were a core game element, there would be three classes specifically for them too.I agree that they overlap a lot, but basically they fill different roles in a party/combat aspect.
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Anon01/26/26, 15:19No.97444460
I'm a cleric. I've caused miracles through praying to my dark god and have trained myself in a bit of knife and club combat.
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Anon01/26/26, 21:01No.97446384
>Should Clerics actually exist? Paladins already fulfill the 'holy warrior' archetypeYou realize Clerics were there first, right? Fucking retard.
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Anon01/26/26, 22:07No.97446745
To me, the nature of Domains seems like it should be something awared to a character rather than building a whole class around it. More so considering that clerics are typically type casted as robe wearing catholic priests in full garb. I mean, why would the god of thieves have a full on robe wearing friar tuck looking dude instead of a Rogue?Simiarly with the Paladin who is type casted as the sword and board knight who is but an aspected fighter for all intents and purposes. I think it would be interesting at least that if the title of Paladin is awarded to a character it should be because they fit the criteria of whatever force they serve and swore allegiance to without having to fit a single way of being.
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Anon01/27/26, 03:34No.97448188
Julius Caesar, Augustus, and the other roman imperators were clerics - the highest priests of the roman cults.
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Anon01/27/26, 03:38No.97448196
>Should Clerics actually exist?
Yes, they predate paladins and are more flavorful than them while also attracting fewer DEUS VULT larpers. All the best elements of Paladin were simply stolen from Cleric.
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Anon01/27/26, 03:41No.97448206
Should paladins exist? Clerics already fulfill the holy warrior archetype, and there are no historical analogues for what the paladin is.
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Anon01/27/26, 04:01No.97448268
>there's not really any historical analogues for what the Cleric is
Any kind of traveling missionary or character of myth/legend blessed by the gods to go out and do work in their name.
They aren't 'holy warriors' they 'holy men', it's just that they're a milieu of all 'holy men' archetypes.
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Anon01/27/26, 15:49No.97450691
Rethink of them less as holy warriors and more as biblical prophets and it makes sense. Pray to God with faith that He'll help, something inexplicable happens that accomplishes precisely what you asked for. Read the stories of Elijah and his apprentice Elisha and you'll find miracles ranging from drought to infinite food to death by bears to resurrection of the dead. Not even counting the likes of Hezekiah's appeal while under siege and a single angel demolishing an army of over a hundred thousand soldiers, or anything that happened before Moses or Jesus.
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Anon01/28/26, 04:38No.97455158
>and there's not really any historical analogues
Protfags are so funny.