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Anonymous04/26/26, 00:26No.16965372
Are aquariums/zoos ethically defensible?
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Anon04/26/26, 02:37No.16965406
yes
they are cool
what is the ethical problem even, some animal rights thing?
animals have rights in proportion to their ability to do cool things
the fish in the exhibit are privileged
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Anon04/26/26, 02:57No.16965419
Yes, because they are helping to preserve many living animals which are threatened or endangered in the wild
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Anon04/26/26, 03:47No.16965433
I think the biggest way this argument tends to play out is "value provided by knowledge and awareness of specific animals, and the funding raised by aquariums to help them (in the wild)" vs "negative value provided of the quality of life of fish 'meant to have larger natural ranges' than is realistically capable of being provided by an aquarium, and the mis-allocation of funds in maintaining the aquarium(s) vs directly spending it on (further) supporting wild animal populations" in some flavour or another. Please provide other points in favour of/against the point outside of this scope, I'd like to hear other people's thoughts.
I'm personally in favour in this framework, so I'm curious what other anons have to say.
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Anon04/26/26, 04:01No.16965439
They don't normally live in shallow water and have shortened life spans in aquariums.
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Anon04/26/26, 04:35No.16965455
If you eat meat or use animal products you can't really morally oppose aquariums since growing animals just to kill them is worse than growing animals to look at them. Even if you don't your energy use if you are reading this is almost certainly doing more harm to animals than a zoo or an aquarium would. If you do then you probably shouldn't have a problem with them either. Animals are for us to do with as we please, unusual cruelty should be avoided on principle but aquariums/zoos offer a service for which there's no realistic replacement. If you have the choice between two venues then pick the one with better facilities though.
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Anon04/26/26, 04:55No.16965461
technically no
we backtrack ethical lines because we like to think enviroment is open season and that we can't stop people from exploiting it, which is already giving too much agency to people and nothing to animalsif we are really considering the impact of having animals in zoos as a purely moral question we have to go back and ask by what right do we have to exploit the enviroment in such a way that necesitate the need to extract endangered animal in the first place
so it was never about ethics but how much we ground we are willing to give for the veil of care, and frankly it's abysmal, in a more just society, animals will get majority of earth's land and we would strictly enforce interaction with them, but since we believe we have final say now, technically anything is ethical as it is our framework to decide
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Anon04/26/26, 14:34No.16965610
You see that group of yellow fish right in front of the whale shark's mouth? They grew too large so the Georgia Aquarium killed them.
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Anon04/26/26, 17:25No.16965677
Yeah, up until really large mammals in enclosures that are not ideal for them.
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Anon04/27/26, 23:43No.16966353
Animals in aquariums/zoos have
>Longer and healthier lifespans
>Get treated for injuries & diseases
>Have large comfortable spaces to live in
>Sometimes develop bonds for the zookeepers
There still are valid arguments against aquariums/zoos, but talking about the wild like it's the Garden of Eden isn't a valid argument. There is a reason why humans created civilization on every continent thousands of years ago.
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Anon04/28/26, 17:37No.16966771
For science? Yes.
For entertainment? No.
/thread
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Anon04/30/26, 15:58No.16967856
No. They exist so goyim can gawk at caged animals. Any talk about research or preservation is all made up after the fact.
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Anon04/30/26, 20:27No.16967982
in theory, yes, as long as the animals have enough space and their needs met
in practice, though, animals rarely have enough space
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Anon05/01/26, 14:13No.16968451
Animals that are kept in shitty conditions in zoos/aquariums are visibly "depressed" and waste away or die of stress. Those that don't have a pretty good life, clearly, so I don't see what the ethical angle would be.
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Anon05/04/26, 09:44No.16970000
I just went to the newport aquarium a couple weeks ago. it was fine, leave them alone
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Anon05/05/26, 07:12No.16970477
yes, fuck fishes
they belong to us for our nutrition and entertainment
this planet is human property and we decide what to do with it
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Anon05/09/26, 15:59No.16973093
The real question: Is allowing wilderness to still exist ethical.
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Anon05/09/26, 16:06No.16973099
Yes
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Anon05/10/26, 14:04No.16973671
I'll have you know those fish are fed, clothed, and go to school!
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Anon05/11/26, 18:14No.16974339
with bulletproof glass and laser sharks maybe
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Anon05/12/26, 03:12No.16974604
Yes. If we don't have aquariums/zoos, then we're not going to like animals, and we won't care if we destroy their environment. Animal Rights Fags are missing the forest for the trees.
They want to protect *these* animals that are in aquariums/zoos, because they think that being in captivity is worse than being eaten alive or starving to death. They're willing to potentially sacrifice every animal, so *these* ones can be free.
We need some animals to live in captivity, so we all can appreciate animals, and want to have animals live.
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Anon05/12/26, 03:30No.16974606
No less than society.
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Anon05/12/26, 04:07No.16974614
It is an important part of preservation and science.
Most fish are not sentient enough for it to pose any ethical problem.
It does become a problem for intelligent species and marine mammals.
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Anon05/12/26, 05:28No.16974626
Depends on the animal, I think. At the risk of anthropomorphising (but who cares?) - if you look at the lion exhibit then they're just chilling in the sun all day, waiting for staff to feed them, looking content as hell. Look over at the hyena exhibit and you'll see them frantically pacing back and forth, looking for a way out. They're obviously not having a good time. Size has relatively little to do with it. Whale sharks seem to do fine. Way smaller sharks just give up and die.
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Anon05/12/26, 15:37No.16974880
yes
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Anon05/12/26, 19:27No.16975057
>atheist p-zombie board defends obvious animal cruelty
What else is new?
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Anon05/12/26, 21:51No.16975147
So long as the animals are well treated and given plenty of space, I have no problem with zoos and aquariums, they are an incredible educational and entertainment source.