so in theory there should be a god right

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Anon09/09/26, 04:29No.542261243

Yes if something happens then SOMEONE must have done it. Just like every evil in the world must have been puppeteered by Jews

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Anon09/09/26, 04:29No.542261254

Lurk 4 more years you're way to retarded

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Anon09/09/26, 04:30No.542261275

>Which came first the chicken or the egg?

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Anon09/09/26, 04:30No.542261286

If it's true that matter and energy can't be created or destroyed, then the universe is simply eternal and needs no creator. Maybe there is a server admin but who knows.

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Anon09/09/26, 04:31No.542261320

there is no creation or destruction. nobody created or destroyed any matter or energy. everything always was. >But creating something before the start of the universe must be extremely difficult, it would have had to be some type of power that can transcend time AND matter. time is a measure of change. you cannot have change without time, makes no sense. cause/effect implies time. time started with the big bang. there was no time before it. therefore no change. no cause. everything just is. always was really. since time started with the big bang, then saying everything always was makes perfect sense. since always starts with time. which started with the big bang.

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Anon09/09/26, 04:31No.542261326

Why does the universe need to be created if it's illogical from the start? It's all glueballs my friend

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Anon09/09/26, 04:32No.542261360

Yes. If you want to read books, check out Dr. Henry Morris. If you want to just listen, Kent Hovind is a heretic, but he basically just repeats Henry Morris in an entertaining way https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhqj8hlCFT2fWOC34_FanlZH-CUzvadDX

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Anon09/09/26, 04:33No.542261383

Read Plato and Aristotle, you absolute brainlet. It's called the unmoved mover/prime mover/One/Absolute. Then read Parmenides and realize that nothing does not exist and that in all likelihood we exist within an infinite/eternal continuum that has never not been, never came into existence, and will never cease to exist. It simply always is.

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Anon09/09/26, 04:35No.542261437

>The universe couldn't have just created itself right? The universe can't create itself but God can magically create himself. The universe can't come out of nothing and needs God to create it, but not God. This is where the theist pretends not to understand.

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Anon09/09/26, 04:37No.542261516

We don't know what happened before the singularity exploded. The only ones claiming that "nothing exploded" are chriggers who mistake it for their own theology

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Anon09/09/26, 04:38No.542261547

>The universe couldn't have just created itself right? Why not?

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Anon09/09/26, 04:39No.542261579

CausalityMaxxermaybe it don't work that way...One thing "causing" another lol that's an oversimplification to say the least. There is never a single cause, there may be a proximate cause (immediately proceeding the effect) but this is different.as per usual, human folly attributable to ignorance

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Anon09/09/26, 04:41No.542261650

The universe doesn't need a creation point. It doesn't need to have an initial mover, a birth, it could always just been in motion. And God doesn't need to be found at such non existent beginning, God is everywhere, a temporal, and eternal.

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Anon09/09/26, 04:42No.542261668

>The universe couldn't have just created itself right?IT WAS AN ACCIDENT

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Anon09/09/26, 04:43No.542261730

What created the creator?

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Anon09/09/26, 04:51No.542261994

This is why Deism is the thinking man’s religion

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Anon09/09/26, 04:51No.542261999

God couldn't just have created itself, right? In theory, something had to create it, right? But creating something before the start of God must be extremely difficult, it would have had to be some type of power that can transcend time AND matter. Even then, let's say God was first, something must have created the first element, right? You must be pretty powerful to create an element from nothingnesst. Agnostic but might be awakening I'm not sure

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Anon09/09/26, 04:53No.542262044

if there was ever truly nothing, there would be nothing to begin, nothing to begin in, and nothing to begin from. nothing cannot be

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Anon09/09/26, 04:56No.542262127

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Anon09/09/26, 04:57No.542262155

BIRDS WILL DESTROY IT

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Anon09/09/26, 04:57No.542262160

Parmenides' On Nature. Read it.

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Anon09/09/26, 04:59No.542262234

Ive started leaning to there not being a someone as in human intelligence like God is depicted as but more the universe itself. And that our lives are just little bits of cosmic dust either hallucinating or is the universe conciousness larping or whatever. Like when I have a dream and I am imagining people that don't exist living entire lives in my dream world. Hard to explain. I think it is the basic idea of the elder scrolls universe.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:02No.542262312

Why are you people so afraid of thr idea that we just don't know what created the universe yet? Why does there have to be an answer right now, when our species is still in it's intellectual and technological infancy? You're like a bunch of toddlers that get mad when you find out the sun isn't actually following you.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:12No.542262617

>God can be eternal and existence can't be eternal because.... it just can't ok?!

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Anon09/09/26, 05:12No.542262633

I want to believe in God but why does he give such a fuck about me masturbating?

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Anon09/09/26, 05:18No.542262822

God created time and space - He transcends it. Hard for us to understand because we see everything through time in chronology. Like a bacteria trying to understand speaking. Anyway, read Mere Christianity and the Everlasting Man if you're curious. Jesus Christ is the stumbling block of history, and He is the one true God.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:21No.542262922

Anon. Assume an ontological premise. The things that plainly are can witness to what is not immediately made known. You and I have a limited epistemic scope, and Kant liked to think that the limit of being unable to totally understand reality, because you are processing it from within it, is a flaw. It’s literally supposed to be like that if you are not God, And none of us are. The entire point of the law in the Bible was to show you that in a moral context. Evil is a misorientation expressing itself against an absolute. There is nothing ontologically evil. The issue is man assumes expression in this context is moral ontology. It’s a category error, we’re limited by our epistemic scope, but it doesn’t mean that God doesn’t exist, agnosticism likes to pretend like because the limit to derivative ontology is there, there is no absolute, that does not follow, is paradoxical and almost philosophically childish and incredibly naive.Since when can you have an intelligible universe that exceeds the scope of your understanding but never the less be totally comprehensible to everything currently within it? You don’t need to know everything to know God.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:22No.542262949

There's definitely peculiar occurrences that are so improbable that it seems like someone is fucking with you. But even that might be some kind of primitive rationalization

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Anon09/09/26, 05:22No.542262959

Congrats you are uncommonly smart for a mutt. You Just found out the primary mover Argument.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:27No.542263100

A higher order intellect's contemplation of the tragic nature of the human condition evokes insight into a power greater than oneself. You go ahead and get excited about sparks in the void though.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:29No.542263162

>the universe couldn’t have created itself And why not? More far fetched than that is who created god? Maybe the universe has always been.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:32No.542263254

Is the tsunami wave powerful? Yes it is. Who creates tsunami waves? Or is it natural occurency? QED fucking low IQ retarded mutt.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:38No.542263456

>so what if it's flat, why does it matter!?

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Anon09/09/26, 05:38No.542263461

>Mahat (Cosmic Intelligence): Known as the "great principle," Mahat is the very first evolutionary product when unmanifest matter (Prakriti) is stirred by consciousness (Purusha). It is the blueprint of creation, holding the wisdom of the entire universe. >Buddhi (Individual Intellect): Buddhi is your personal inner wisdom, judgment, and the capacity to make decisions. It is an individualized drop of the great ocean that is Mahat. >In Hermeticism, the Logos is the divine, rational word and creative power bridging the transcendent universe (The All) and the human soul. It operates both outside the individual as an objective cosmic order and inside as an innate capacity for speech, reason, and awakening. >In ancient Egyptian mythology, Hu (or Ḥw) was the personification and deification of the first authoritative word of creation spoken by the creator god. He represented divine utterance, command, and the magical power of the spoken word. >Hermes/Thoth travels between realms, the planetary energy of Mercury bridges the macrocosm (the divine divine source) and the microcosm (the human intellect). >Hermetic philosophy views the inner logos as the spark of divine reason residing inside humanity; Mercury governs the psychological and spiritual faculties required to perceive, translate, and internalize this higher truth. >In Vedic astrology, the planet Mercury (Budha) directly corresponds to buddhi (the intellect, analytical mind, and discriminative faculty). >In ancient Egyptian religion, the Memphite Theology describes Ptah creating the universe through the dual power of his heart (thought) and his tongue (speech). Youre looking for the Word.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:43No.542263590

WHAT CREATES AND PERCEIVES FORMS?

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Anon09/09/26, 05:44No.542263620

Yes but it also created pajeets and niggers, so its not strictly benevolent.

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Anon09/09/26, 05:58No.542264073

they hate Free Will and the Gods, and attempt to deceive people with words. Who are they?

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Anon09/09/26, 06:01No.542264167

It really might just be random.

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Anon09/09/26, 06:03No.542264224

You (me) are the only manifestation of consciousness in this universe. We are all just brain-antennaes receiving and decoding the universal consciousness field. This applies to people, animals, plants, mold, rocks. The difference in how this manifests lies in the sophistication of our antennaes. For example, minute structural and genetic differences result in distinct harmonics in an individual - producing different personalities in human beings. Taking psychedelic drugs can produce profound changes to the frequency filter, demuxing nearly all spectral consciousness fields simultaneously. Regardless, long story short - we are all essentially the same person, just experiencing that person through a different lens. When you die, your particular combination of universal consciousness frequencies dissipates, but the universal consciousness persists - eternal. You are everyone and everything.

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Anon09/09/26, 06:04No.542264251

The problem is that you are assuming the universe was created, as in everything needs to be created. I fail to see why would that need to be the case. Hypothetically he universe could have existed forever, hence never created.

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Anon09/09/26, 06:04No.542264257

There's only two possibilities. Either an uncreated deity created time from outside it, or the present is eternal and potentially (not actually) infinite. These are literally the only two options. Pick your poison.

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Anon09/09/26, 06:10No.542264411

If the Holy Spirit enters you then the existence of God becomes undeniable.

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Anon09/09/26, 06:16No.542264568

this poem from rigveda is also about this question from 3000yrs agoi feel like universe is always existing infinite and there are multiuniverse which bang , expand or die a cold deaththis question on nothingness is what lead us to the creation of 0 number in india and search of it has been the basic fundamental of Question of Dharma based religions!

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Anon09/09/26, 06:21No.542264704

Look up the univocity of Being. Being itself must proceed the existence of either God or Nature, because both must be existent in exactly the same way (there is no partial existence, it's all or nothing). It then comes down to whether there is a necessary existent

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Anon09/09/26, 06:22No.542264742

The beginning is created in the end.

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Anon09/09/26, 06:39No.542265192

Nope not necessarily. The entire universe can be one system of chaos which through pure chance over time entered into a state which we would consider coherent.

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Anon09/09/26, 06:46No.542265386

>So in theory there should be a god right? Sure. But I doubt it's a bearded kike in the sky. Most likely some cosmic horror beyond our comprehension, which (thankfully) doesn't give any number of shits about us.

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Anon09/09/26, 07:41No.542266893

Soon we'll argue whether the Great Pyramids also had creators or whether they happened by a fluke of the universe. Deism is the bare minimum one should believe. The REAL question is what God wants from us.

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Anon09/09/26, 08:14No.542267673

>i dont understand X so it was magic

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Anon09/09/26, 09:07No.542269111

for me its Yahweh's rendition of "Siri, Create da 6,000 year old flat earf"jk jk im a platonist

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Anon09/09/26, 09:09No.542269164

The Earth is flat and stationary. Creators exists.Aliens don't exist. Demons don't exist. Space isn't real. Gravity doesn't exist. Never went to the moon. Solar Flares are a meme. Asteroids don't exist. UFOs are a psyop. Nukes don't exist. Evolution is a lie. Germ Theory is a lie.The world is ruled by secret societies that worship the Demiurge. Jews/Jesuits/Freemasons/Illuminati are Gnostics and Kabbalists. Masters at deception. One satanic philosophy is inverting reality.They make you think you live on a spinning ball. They make you think you're just an animal. They make you think there's a deadly virus out there. They make you think there are gay space niggers from outer space out there. They make you think there are giant rocks hurtling through the vacuum heading towards our ball earth. They make you think the sun is about to fart and eject some fake corona. They make you think the poles are about to take a massive shit.

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Anon09/09/26, 12:11No.542274862

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