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Anonymous09/14/26, 07:07No.2880204Refugee: are we wrong about bugging out?
Some context: I'm a European, have a wife and child (8), and my outdoor experience has always been mainly spring and summer, occasionally early autumn fishing, hiking and kayaking trips lasting 2-5 days on average. We have some outdoor gear, but I haven't truly worked to make bugout bags or anything of the sort.
I've lately been considering the concept of bugging out, in relation to tensions with Russia. In that process I realized that there are many hundreds of thousands who "bugged out" in the last two decades and the prepping/bugout bag people don't often seem to mention them at all. There are also hundreds of homeless people in my country alone who survive daily in any weather.
Are we not doing enough learning the lessons that these groups have to offer about the realities of bugging out? Or is the blindspot just mine?
I guess the question/discussion would be:
>How do you think being a refugee for weeks or months changes the concept of bugging out?
>How does long term homelessness impact bugging out?
>How do you think dragging a family around impacts bugging out? How do you keep them safe and "on tempo" in long term away situations?
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Anon09/14/26, 07:27No.2880205
>Europe during the final collapse
there will be nowhere to run, you will be killed by the current refugees swarming as things fall apart, and then you wife and child may live a bit longer, but not in any way they would want to.
The most plausible plan is setting up a place to hold out for 6 months where you already live stocking up your own supplies now, but euro laws and fundamental culture are going to make that almost impossible.
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Anon09/14/26, 10:55No.2880208
What should they mention? I guess there are less people that are prepared that you think, not even talking about people with a proper BOB. Bugging out in Europe is also a lot different than USA or whatever. The only chance you got here is to move away from big cities and maybe got some kind of getaway plan.
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Anon09/14/26, 16:05No.2880222
easy without cold winters
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Anon09/14/26, 16:59No.2880224
>Maladaptive daydreaming poster, I summon you!
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Anon09/14/26, 19:39No.2880228
Those are invaders, not refugees.
Stop using globalist propaganda terms.
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Anon09/14/26, 21:29No.2880237
I see a lot of refugees as part of my job and I can tell you that "refugee" is a broad fucking term. It encompasses a wide range of people in very different situations. If you want to learn a lesson from refugees then the lesson you should learn is 'be the Burmese guy studying finance and dripping in Gucci or the Iranian engineer who rolled up in a Porsche rather the Somali trading his sisters for passage across the Med'.The issue with "prepping" to be a refugee is that a lot of the things that will really make a difference take a great deal of effort to achieve and they're hard to justify unless you think the prospect of fleeing your country is very real. I'm in a ridiculously fortunate position should I ever need to become refugee - I've got 4 passports and my wife has two, between us we have family who would support us spread across 5 countries, we're both employed in high-demand fields, we have sufficient wealth in relatively liquid assets that we could support ourselves for at least a couple of years without working and enough wealth in cash/gold/crypto to afford a plane ticket+a few months rent anywhere you care to mention - that's great for me but there's not a lot of scope for actionable advice there.
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Anon09/16/26, 08:52No.2880330
OP here, thanks for the responses all. But now I'd like to try and steer it back to more concrete conversation about being outdoors.
To try to make the conversation more concrete I'll lay out a few scenario's that are somewhat realistic, and I'm assuming my own location in the Netherlands as a jumpoff point.
>Scenario: Russia attacks NATO and I need to move my family out of reach from the strikes. Likely going to Spain/Portugal or if thats not far removed enough, Argentina.
>Scenario: widespread and long term flooding put millions into movement. Likely target locations Germany, Belgium, France.>Do we think being a refugee is similar to being a thru hiker?
I.e. what gear, advice and behaviours of thru hikers translate well into a situation where I'd have to take my family to Spain on foot. A seemingly obvious difference would be that thru hikers have a general support structure along the trail, where they can buy food, shower, repair and replace gear etc. What does it mean for how much food you bring or what gear you take?>Gas stove jay or nay? I imagine there's little chance to refill or replace gas canisters...
>Water purification tablets for months of use packed from day 1? Or just bring a sawyer purifier and hope for the best?
>Emergency rations jay or nay? I know they're barely palatable but I dont think there's a more efficient way of bringing calories in terms of space and weight?
>How much impact would it make to carry extra clothing, like winter layers if its not cold right now and the target location is generally warm? Any thru hikers in the thread that carry extra clothing on the trail?
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Anon09/17/26, 00:28No.2880394
there's nothing to learn from them, they just live in pisspoor conditions you can't adapt to
what you want for the situation you seem to expect is an homestead, a remote countryside house where you can be self reliant on as much thing as possible
and you're late because you needed to plant trees 20year ago