why did muvluv never catch on like gundam

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Anon06/17/26, 01:50No.23909755

>comparing anything to gundam You are gonna have a bad time.

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Anon06/17/26, 01:50No.23909756

Assuming you mean globally? Because it's mainly a visual novel and westerners don't read that much. It also didn't start getting anime until like 2012, way after the mecha anime wave in the west already came and went.

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Anon06/17/26, 01:50No.23909757

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Anon06/17/26, 01:59No.23909775

>Why did Muv-Luv never catch on like Gundam? An ugly main mecha

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Anon06/17/26, 02:09No.23909791

CHOMP

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Anon06/17/26, 02:11No.23909798

Haremslop.

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Anon06/17/26, 02:41No.23909832

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Anon06/17/26, 06:18No.23910118

The Extra anime was greenlit sometime in the early 2000s until a producer pulled out or something, age ended up wasting a lot of money on TE because of issues (thanks, Miyata Sou) and it ended up being kind of shit because of it, SM sucked, and don't even get me started on what has happened since. All despite the popularity of KGNE and the trilogy.

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Anon06/17/26, 09:38No.23910227

Isn't its main selling point the hentai and not the mecha?

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Anon06/17/26, 21:41No.23910866

>make super popular interesting setting everyone wants to see more of >don't make more of it >make side stories taking place in the past or in alternate realities >don't even fucking finish the side stories, even Total Eclipse was incomplete because it was supposed to have multiple routes in different media (anime was supposed to be Yui route) but only the Cryska route was finished. TDA just left to rot >then sit on your ass doing literally nothing for 10 years >do a shitty anime that alienates the existing fanbase by recasting all the characters and changing their designs, and rant and yell at the old fanbase saying they're too stupid to understand that it's necessary to get new fans >don't get new fans because your shitty new anime is locked to a niche streaming service nobody subscribes togee i wonder why that franchise died

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Anon06/18/26, 09:08No.23911350

Gundam was for ages 3+ hence the parade colour mechs.Muv-Luv was an 18+ game to begin with so the target audience for the mechs was also 18+, hence more monochrome colour schemes and less gimmicky, only relaying on standardised armaments.At least this was how I saw it 10+ years ago when Muv Luv was at its peak with the Total Eclipse Novel being out on PS3.

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Anon06/18/26, 13:54No.23911525

>like GundamGundam is THE ONE AND ONLY popular enough franchise that normal know about because, like transformers, a giant toy company sells millions in merch along side making TV shows and movies.It is not like Gundam ,or Transformers, because there is no multi billion yen company behind it, and it's from a PC game. An eroge PC game.Only perverts play PC games.I mean do Americans even fucking thing before making these threads?

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Anon06/18/26, 14:35No.23911572

Because the TSFs are hidden behind like 30 hours of reading.

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Anon06/18/26, 15:05No.23911601

I could write a 200 page document on this shit but the TL;DR is simply shit management decisions and people being in positions they shouldn't have. For almost 30 years now.Long before ML was even a thing they already had a funding member ragequit due to being overworked. Making MLA was completely fucking wreckless and Kouki sold his Tokyo home of 3 generations to help fund it. They instantly got high on their own farts and greenlit a trillion spinoffs and even started a whole sister company that made like 3 games before going bye-bye. They sold the company to Avex because they promised to make an MLA anime and then never even finished it. They had 5 fucking gacha games in the spawn of decade because they want to be FGO but Kouki can't be fucked actually being involved with any of them besides 1 time collabs. I hate to bring up Kouki again because I sound like a schizo at this point, but his addiction to social media arguments DIRECTLY resoluted in a 20 year old retard getting hired and costing the company millions of dollars + putting all their visual novels into development hell

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Anon06/18/26, 19:59No.23911871

Bad administration, Cancelled Extra anime, too late not so good Alternative anime, not a real good, accesible entry point.

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Anon06/18/26, 20:04No.23911877

>Visual novel >You have to get through infodump-hell and highschool harem bs just to get to the mechs, most of which are ugly >Little to no advertising outside of japan

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Anon06/19/26, 21:15No.23913102

>Why did Muv-Luv never catch on like Gundam? Might have to do with... - not getting an anime before forever - being an obvious porn game with very fetishist catsuits (limiting the public) - utterly generic harem with very archetypical characters - comedy hijink so silly it break the immersion - serious development too complex or dark for mainstream, even against Tomino KillthemAll - SUDDEN (lazy) ISEKAI plot - mech design that honestly isn't that inspired, they should drop the whole aircraft-mecha theme but now it's too late since it's the franchise recipe - main enemies are brain-dead BETA monsters, so you don't get antagonists really leading the plot - very little room to improve the setting without bullshit weapons

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Anon06/19/26, 21:45No.23913140

everyone that posted some snarky reply like "because it's bad" ITT has aids

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Anon06/19/26, 22:39No.23913211

Muv-Luv not getting a proper anime adaptation around the time that KimiNozo and it's push towards anime alongside it's spin-offs, like Akane Maniax that was clearly teasing for the eventual Extra anime is a tragedy. Unironically one of the biggest production blunders for the company before most else. That had the chance to butterfly effect the IP into mainstream relevance.The IP now needs a major injection of finance and talent to capture people now, but with the current landscape of how things get popular, you'd have to push so much into it that any argument for a potential investor is boils down to asking them to save a dying franchise. It's likely that the series is properly done unless a miracle happens.

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Anon06/21/26, 11:31No.23915219

Gundam is the mecha standard everything is compared against. Sometimes a work of Mecha is better than Gundam's average, sometimes it's worse, but Gundam is far too entrenched in the mind of mecha fans to be toppled by low budget productions/dating sims, or much of anything really. Not every non-Gundam work can have Shoji Kawamorii carrying the entire production. Muv-Luv took off as far as it's wings could carry it, and we got a LOT more Alternative content than it's degree of success justified, all things considered, so I'm not mad. Far from it."Why didn't [x] catch on like Gundam" is a willfully stupid question, and the answer is "Because it's "Gundam-Adjecant", not "Gundam" or "Gundam-related." It's like saying "Why didn't Jupiter's Legacy catch on like the Avengers?"

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Anon06/21/26, 14:43No.23915358

>Why did Muv-Luv never catch on like Gundam? Because the politics are even more retarded than Gundam while being far more omnipresent and visceral.

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Anon06/21/26, 14:53No.23915381

MuvLuv failing as hard as it did hurts. It exploded around the same time as Fate and could of easily went as mainstream and stayed popular. It's just unlike TypeMoon, Age kept finding novel ways to fuck up. Their biggest problem is that F/GO got too big and took up all of Nasu's time so he couldn't commit to working on the Tsukihime and Fate/Extra remasters. Age's biggest problem is it basically stopped existing after constantly fucking up attempts to make the next big gacha and taking too long to adapt MuvLuv Alternative to the point no one cared when it came out. Fate fans, whenever you see MuvLuv, think to yourself "There but by the grace of God I go".

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Anon06/21/26, 15:00No.23915399

I don't think I've ever played a VN before.

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Anon06/21/26, 15:02No.23915404

stumble upon giant govt robo is more realistic than waking up to sexy 18 year old in your bed

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Anon06/21/26, 19:03No.23915640

it's not even the best mecha vn. muramasa and demonbane are better

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Anon06/21/26, 21:17No.23915734

Standard VN shit?Too many side stories because of choices, shitty depressing setting, bad guys are no faced faggots who are just mindless aliens with no substantial story besides pushing humanity to extinction.

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Anon06/21/26, 23:53No.23915871

no story or toyline appropriate for 8-18 year olds to back it in the late 90's early 00's when the market was prime for it

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Anon06/23/26, 00:35No.23917194

There has to be something good about it for something to catch on Once you get past the novelty of the le genre shift twist, there's no redeeming value in Muv Luv.

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Anon06/23/26, 01:59No.23917291

muv luv is actually good unlike gundam so normalfags with shit taste refuse to touch it

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Anon06/23/26, 07:54No.23917608

1. Because you have to read for 100 hours instead of passively watching 2. Because Extra is a 20 hours very early 2000s harem comedy

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Anon06/25/26, 22:13No.23920789

i just got a stupid idea, if someone could get makoto shinkai (for advertisement only he could be secondary writter or some minor shit) and gaslight every normie on forgetting what muv luv is you could made a decent Extra movie (sumika / meiya only tho)

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Anon06/26/26, 07:24No.23921181

Is girls garden any good? I saw that it's getting localized.

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Anon06/27/26, 11:17No.23922419

It total eclipse any good? I always hear both the game and anime are trash.

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Anon06/27/26, 14:11No.23922536

TE is bad but I enjoyed it.

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Anon06/29/26, 14:00No.23925012

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Anon06/29/26, 19:12No.23925322

One of those days I want to make a thread asking ANON to save MUVLUV by making their own Muvluv-like setting. But to be frank, I don't expect anyone to come up with anything of value or even agree on what are its main components.And if I try first it will just be ignored or mocked for trolling purpose

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Anon06/30/26, 00:48No.23925687

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Anon06/30/26, 16:34No.23926557

First off, it's porn. Kinda. There are adult elements that means you can't exactly sell it to kids.Second, Visual Novels don't really sell the action really well. It's basically saying "Imagine an awesome action scene" and while this is possible with really good writing...Muv-Luv didn't have that.Third, Muv-Luv is pretty grim and that doesn't always sell well.

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Anon06/30/26, 19:27No.23926750

A lot of reasons, but the big one is that you need to like both goofy rom-coms and serious mecha war to really like Muv Luv. Anyone saying you can skip Extra doesn't know what they're talking about. That's a pretty narrow ven diagram.

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Anon07/02/26, 00:37No.23928363

It's a porn game.

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Anon07/02/26, 15:52No.23928970

gundam is a plastic toy ad

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Anon07/03/26, 13:24No.23929909

lol

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Anon07/03/26, 22:06No.23930277

I’m sorry..

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Anon07/05/26, 04:13No.23931983

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Anon07/05/26, 11:53No.23932360

Why do Muv-Luv fans like to talk like the franchise is owed success? I swear in every thread about [insert mainstream VN name here] there's a Muv-Luv fag shitting on it and propping up Muv-Luv

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Anon07/08/26, 08:30No.23935532

type moon tricked other vn developers into going all ages which ultimately ruined them all. light, age, minori, all fucking dead. even key is barely alive and I think leaf just got bought out. in fact you can directly map the successful entries of mub rub by whether they had nudity or not.

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Anon07/15/26, 00:04No.23942309

Because Nadesico is a better candidate , and it failed too

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Anon07/18/26, 12:40No.23946290

To be honest, just give me a ZOE knockoff focused on the post alternative world where the super space TSFs nuke mars and shit under the guidance of empress Kasumi. I don't need plot, just give me fun gameplay and cool robots shooting aliens.

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Anon07/19/26, 01:52No.23946972

Even taking out all the meta stuff, and it being a love letter to VNs as a medium.It being a VN hinders it's popularity in a west. One people are filtered passed that they get filtered hard by Extra, and telling them anything more just spoils the experience for them. It's also extremely dated.I love it a lot, a whole lot, but it's a lot to ask someone who isn't already an otaku to get into. Even then younger and modern otaku have very different sensibilities.

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