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Anonymous09/14/26, 07:35No.25530665
Any books that make you better at arguing, rhetoric, persuasion etc?
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Anon09/14/26, 07:35No.25530669
probably
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Anon09/14/26, 07:53No.25530684
none, you are either born with those abilities or not
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Anon09/14/26, 07:56No.25530688
i can only think of two, but maybe another anon can top me
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Anon09/14/26, 08:05No.25530695
Yeah I have one in particular in mind
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Anon09/14/26, 08:09No.25530698
Aren't they all basically strange pseudoscience that claims rhetorical structures like tricolon, etc. make arguments more convincing? Absolute horseshit.
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Anon09/14/26, 08:09No.25530699
Schopenhauer so you realise arguing, rhetoric, persuasion etc is nonsense
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Anon09/14/26, 10:16No.25530787
The Bible since Christianity is the lens through which most of western society views the world and imposes morals.
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Anon09/14/26, 10:33No.25530800
my diary desu
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Anon09/14/26, 11:25No.25530846
Just say your arguments are self-evident, and if that doesn't work, just say they're axiomatic
Easy as
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Anon09/14/26, 11:58No.25530891
Absolute retarded midwits in this thread
Look up what people were reading when studying the trivium, and how exactly they were studying them
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Anon09/14/26, 12:05No.25530898
I remember peopled meme'd the "classical" style.
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Anon09/14/26, 12:14No.25530914
>Any books that make you better at arguing, rhetoric, persuasion etc?
The Bible (with a gun in it)
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Anon09/14/26, 13:05No.25530992
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/10731/pg10731-images.html#link2H_4_0004
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Anon09/14/26, 13:59No.25531064
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Anon09/14/26, 14:34No.25531119
>Words like loaded pistols
>The elements of eloquence
>Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student 3rd edition (recommended by an anon on here and my personal favourite)
>Landmark Negotiations from Around the World: Lessons for Modern Diplomacy, edited by Emmanuel Vivet.
That's all I got off the noggin'. I'd also suggest (although all books mentioned will go into this) analysing speeches you found convincing. For example: What structural differences and similarities are there between Thycidides' Pericles' Funeral Oration, Shakespeare's St Crispin's Day Speech, Kennedy's The Moon Speech and Milton's Lucifer war unto Heaven?If you can read Latin, then I'd also, of course, suggest Cicero and, quite naturally, Quintilian's Institutio Oratoria
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Anon09/14/26, 14:52No.25531142
I'll throw a curveball here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJbwyN4ZoCg
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Anon09/14/26, 14:55No.25531144
This
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Anon09/14/26, 15:06No.25531164
I learned formal debate in a school club. Then I learned how to use E-Prime. I now deliver better spoken rhetoric than anyone I know.I recommend you internalise the rules of the game "Just a Minute".
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Anon09/14/26, 15:39No.25531216
Thanks for the replies frens. I have been trying to answer to your suggestions but the system thinks I'm spamming
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Anon09/14/26, 16:02No.25531248
All this debatebro shit is very late 2010s.
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Anon09/14/26, 22:41No.25532034
Read Cicero and Demosthenes
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Anon09/15/26, 04:11No.25532653
unironically read the LessWrong sequences
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Anon09/16/26, 02:04No.25534431
I found this at a charity shop before. Haven't read it yet but it seems good from my flick through.
It's 1990s so it's a sweet spot of when this stuff was still actually good. Before the internet took over what rhetoric was/is.
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Anon09/17/26, 04:41No.25536617
How to Win Friends and Influence People.
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Anon09/18/26, 01:49No.25538173
The Crowd by Gustave Le Bon gives some pretty good tips on influencing people. Highly rate that book and have found it very useful
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Anon09/19/26, 10:58No.25540763
>Any books that make you better at arguing, rhetoric, persuasion etc?
You can become leagues better or rhetoric by simply finding the right audience.
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Anon09/19/26, 11:53No.25540803
Watch destiny
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Anon09/19/26, 17:57No.25541346
Talmud