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Anon09/08/26, 00:09No.25518846

for Greekanons

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Anon09/08/26, 00:17No.25518867

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Anon09/08/26, 00:17No.25518868

And remember, kids

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Anon09/08/26, 03:50No.25519247

Huh, neat, it's another continuation of the Eutropius->Paulus Diaconus tradition, Andrea wrote an additional chunk running up to 877 to the history of the lombards documenting their fall. Now that Eutropius is done, and with this being read, Paulus Diaconus is calling to me.

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Anon09/08/26, 07:24No.25519418

Reposting my question from the last thread: if any Anon has self-studied Akkadian and/or Sumerian, I'd like to hear their experiences.

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Anon09/08/26, 14:56No.25519864

crazy how Milton just writes like Virgil but in English

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Anon09/08/26, 19:24No.25520427

ODI GRAECOSOn a less serious note, it’s interesting how Greek identity, at least in a Roman’s view, shifted over time such that when a Roman complains about Greeks he specifically focuses on Syria. It makes me wonder how many Greeks really settled there, and how Hellenized the locals really were.

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Anon09/08/26, 19:28No.25520433

Furthermore, even the Roman dislike of “Greece” in the 2nd century has a lot to do with engaging with a “late stage” greek culture, which is maybe how a Roman could at once admire Pericles and Plato but despise the hellenized east.

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Anon09/08/26, 21:12No.25520652

One of my favorite motifs in the Aeneid is the characterization of the Trojans as flamboyant Easterners. When Ascanius is told to play the tambourine and boxwood drum of Cybele here, it's especially biting because priests of the goddess were often eunuchs: He's essentially being told, "Leave the fighting to the men; you don't have the balls to be here!"

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Anon09/08/26, 21:19No.25520665

Theodosius I was rightly named Great in his own time. Gets a bad rap.

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Anon09/09/26, 02:54No.25521113

>>Work in progress FAQ >https://rentry dot co/n8nrko Whoever in charge of FAQ, please add https://github.com/eggrobin/Enmerkar - IME input for cuneiform languages under Sumerian/Akkadian.

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Anon09/09/26, 13:39No.25521771

It's up:Easy Don't question me! We must find out why it happened. That fisherman's prices are outrageous!Medium I'm not even sure I could do it myself. Wolves have been attacking our cattle despite the new fencing. Regardless of his usually contrarian opinion, I'm willing to give it a try.Hard Without a moment of hesitation, seeing that after the arrival of his target the room was almost free of guards, he let go of the previously loaded poisonous arrow that had been sitting in his quiver for months, waiting for the right chance to strike, and as the bow, stretched to its maximum, mercilessly flung its projectile through the air, a deafening thunder could be heard in the sky.

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Anon09/09/26, 18:26No.25522206

>I was only pretending to be retarded

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Anon09/10/26, 01:35No.25522972

Ecce vidi magnam copiam puerorum "sex septem" conclamantium. "Quid hercle agitis?" "Auram serimus" Quid faciendum est, sodales? Non enim mihi licet pueros verberare.

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Anon09/10/26, 07:38No.25523331

I’m trying to come up with some easy way to remember definite articles in AG. What I came up with is to form sentences that follow this Nom Acc Dat structure for say only masculine singular nouns, and so on (gonna plow through Gen individually). Can someone please tell if the sentence like this is grammatically correct, so that I can form others in similar fashion?ὁ στρατηγός τον στρατός προς τῷ ποταμός αγειAlternatively, are there existing phrases like that so that I don’t need to invent the bicycle?

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Anon09/10/26, 09:56No.25523457

Greeks also invented homos so.. write that down in greek

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Anon09/10/26, 21:12No.25524412

From Publilius Syrus >Aetas cinaedum celat, aetas indicat >Age hides the f*ggot, age discloses him What the hell does he mean by this? Is it some sort of double entendre?

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Anon09/10/26, 23:40No.25524704

chapter 39 of LLPSI is pretty good, one of the best ones so far. I wonder how heavily adapted Vergil here is

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Anon09/12/26, 03:54No.25526874

not that well versed in manuscript orthography, but I was going over a couple digitized folios of Plato's Phaedo hosted by the Bodleian: >https://digital.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/objects/f57d074b-cff1-4172-8236-797c7b8f0403/surfaces/1bfee2e3-f909-4364-a125-16bc49470908/ >fol. 40v in the 19th line from the top it includes picrel. of course one's sense of proper orthography is relative, but the ending to me looks like -ου, not -α, as you would expect for the vocative (ὦ σιμμία). I think the more reasonable assumption is that the scribe just writes word-final alpha in such a way that it looks like an upsilon attached to an omicron. what do you guys think?

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Anon09/12/26, 07:51No.25527224

So finally I finished my dare I saw paradigm of definite articles for every gender and number sans Genitive. Hopefully some kind anon looks at these and tells if they make any sense.ὁ στρατηγὸς τὸν στρατὸν παρὰ τῷ ποταμῷ ἄγει.ἡ κόρη την επιστολήn ἐν τῇ κώμῃ φέρειτό ᾰ̓́στρον τό φῶς ἀνά τῷ γῇ φέρειοἱ ἀδελφοί τους ίππους παρὰ τοις συμμαχοις αγουσιαἱ θεαί τᾱ́ς ᾰ̓ρετᾱ́ς παρὰ ταις κώμαις πέμπουσῐτα πνεύμᾰτᾰ τα σπέρμᾰτᾰ ἀμφί τοις ᾰ̓́γκεσῐ φερουσι

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Anon09/12/26, 13:37No.25527463

νωλεμέως is the best ancient greek word

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Anon09/12/26, 17:38No.25527781

Sometimes I enjoy looking at small critical notes made by philologists, and I'm often surprised at how many clever emendations are never published in full articles.For example, in the text of Julius Rufinianus, a 4th-century teacher of rhetoric, an illustration of a rhetorical figure in Vergil is introduced by saying, >ut Vergilius Aeneidos primo, "sequere Italiam ventis, pete regna per undas." The problem is that this quotation actually comes from Aeneid book 4, not book 1 as it says. So what happened? The line in Vergil's Aeneid 4.381 begins, "i, sequere Italiam..." and a scribe mistook "i," the imperative of "ire," as an abbreviation of "Aeneidos primo" and wrote it in its full, expanded form.I love stuff like this.

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Anon09/12/26, 17:52No.25527805

Do any of you know where to get started with classical Arabic?

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Anon09/13/26, 03:52No.25528530

I think it makes sense to just read Old English in Modern English reflexes. Maybe that's just 'cause Classical Chinese was the first classical language I learned, and in that basically everyone reads texts in their modern pronunciation and reconstructed pronunciation is nothing more than a philological curiosity.

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Anon09/13/26, 04:26No.25528567

Hi. sinoanon from a few years back here. I made the chart you guys still use. I have come back from the ER with scans "highly suspicious" of lung cancer. I'm young and I've never even smoked. This has been shocking. I'm going to say that from this vantage point, my time here doesn't seem wasted, and that if my final diagnosis allows it, I'm going to try and actually get into academia. You're a talented lot and I hope most of you don't let the dumb little rituals of standard breadwinning adulthood hold you back as I let them hold me back. All of that seems so silly now.

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Anon09/13/26, 17:53No.25529507

Frankly, all native English speakers should engage with Middle English a bit, and so there’s nothing wrong with not trying to turn every line into a linguistic exercise and instead pronouncing it roughly modern with exceptions where it’s natural to do so.Overly focusing on reconstruction has a way of hurting part of the goal for a normal person engaging with the literature, i.e. connection with their heritage and culture. Sure, Shakespeare was performed in a very different accent originally, but it doesn’t seem right to tell audiences they should go watch a reconstruction instead of a normal performance just to be more, idk, “realistic?”

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Anon09/13/26, 20:43No.25529858

With 3rd conj. -io verbs one may need know the accent other than the first person as well. For example, expédio: expédit or éxpedit? concútio, cóncutit or concútit etc.

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Anon09/13/26, 20:47No.25529863

I'll stick to Fagles and Fitzgerald, but this is a cool thread. keep up your studies, anons

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Anon09/14/26, 00:06No.25530143

>literally the very first word of the Hebrew Bible is a matter of controversy because it says "in a beginning" instead of "in the beginning"

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Anon09/14/26, 13:51No.25531055

Any of you know where I can find good recordings or RA (or any of the llpsi ancillary volumes)?

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Anon09/14/26, 18:25No.25531539

Guess the language

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Anon09/15/26, 08:15No.25532916

Anyone here bothered to learn old English? It's the one I seem most likely to do currently.

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Anon09/15/26, 15:56No.25533428

Genesis 2:23 in the King James translation: >she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. This successfully renders wordplay in the original Hebrew between the word for "man" (ish, אִישׁ) and the word for "woman" (ishah, אִשָּׁה).The Latin Vulgate manages to accommodate this wordplay by substituting a more common word for "woman," such as "mulier," with the hyponym "virago": >haec vocabitur Virago, quoniam de viro sumpta est.In the Septuagint, this wordplay isn't preserved at all: >αὕτη κληθήσεται γυνή, ὅτι ἐκ τοῦ ἀνδρὸς αὐτῆς ἐλήφθη αὕτηIt's really a happy coincidence that it works so well in English.

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Anon09/15/26, 15:58No.25533433

Like my tattoo?

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Anon09/15/26, 18:40No.25533660

I'm contemplating ordering the hardback of Hayes' Manual of Sumerian Grammar and Texts 3rd edition and uploading it on the internet since it's not freely available yet unlike the 2nd one. However, with the cost of ordering to Russia accounted for, it costs $124. Having second thoughts.

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Anon09/15/26, 20:49No.25533965

>δεύτερος is not etymologically related to δύο

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Anon09/15/26, 21:09No.25534022

since the Languages known as Classical Latin and Ancient Greek are Fixed Sets, what prevents me from simply adding all their Sentence-Members to my Latin and Greek Anki Decks? (or more specifically, the Subsets i'm interested in) did I hack learning Dead Languages? is it really that simple?

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Anon09/15/26, 21:21No.25534041

such high volume would ensure high redundancy (something usually avoided in the anki realm) and therefore higher retrieval rate. intervals should be modified with that in mind

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Anon09/15/26, 21:30No.25534059

i don't think it makes much sense to isolate vocab in dead langs, "learning" entire sentences should give a better view of the corpus (or cadaver, itc)

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Anon09/16/26, 11:55No.25535174

Guys, I am rummaging through my grandpa's garage when I found this heavily damaged book. Can anyone translate pic please?

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Anon09/16/26, 20:30No.25535940

Latinfags be like >gonna ask my town pedophile I mean priest to create a few new ecclesiastical latins real quick, brb

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Anon09/16/26, 21:43No.25536037

New Old Norse textbook coming out in 4 years Exciting Especially the caption that it's going to be using the original texts

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Anon09/16/26, 22:31No.25536105

Is poetae pronounced “poy-teye” in Reconstructed and “pay-tay” in Roman pronunciation?Or are the vowels oe not a dipthong here?

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Anon09/17/26, 11:04No.25536925

Could I become fluent in either classical latin or classical greek by watching long format youtube videos alone? if the answer is no, what would the ceiling be? assuming fluency in English and Spanish? or must i necessarily engage with literature for the matter? how long would it take do you think? for someone to learn latin if they are already fluent in those two languages.

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Anon09/17/26, 11:25No.25536941

We need an English literature version of /clg/. I don't even know Latin, but lurking these threads is honestly so much fun.

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Anon09/17/26, 16:25No.25537311

Imagine yourself as a Late Latin speaker, when the language is on the cusp of splitting off in various regional languages: Are you using "sic" or "hoc ille" to say "yes"? I think I'm more of a hoc ille man, myself.

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Anon09/17/26, 17:21No.25537397

Phrygian caps are pure sovl. I wish I had the confidence to wear one. Maybe this desire comes from watching Smurfs as a kid.

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Anon09/17/26, 21:59No.25537833

calvus noster nos longa donat hodie pellicula ad inpooooooot ut aiunt anglice perfruendum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoNVJirGR_Y

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Anon09/18/26, 14:00No.25538851

Falcifer Norwood me persequitur

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Anon09/18/26, 14:02No.25538854

volui "messor" pro "falcifer" dicere; non refert

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Anon09/18/26, 18:06No.25539139

For anyone curious about ancient Middle East languages, I found the 1907 book on the Behistun inscription which provides cuneiform text, transliteration, and translation of inscriptions in Old Persian, Elamite (called Susian here), and Babylonian.https://archive.org/details/sculpturesinscri00brituoft/page/158/mode/2upAlso, a remainder that you can find on YouTube - 'The Poor Man of Nippur' in Akkadian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYoFlnJLoE - 'Orestes' in Ancient Greek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4hkHcDbt8I

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Anon09/19/26, 10:33No.25540741

Maybe it'll be useful for someone. https://home.zcu.cz/~ksaskova/Sign_List.htmlYou can also download this sign list in .pdf format from here https://home.zcu.cz/~ksaskova/Whomstever is in charge of FAQ, please add these links.

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Anon09/19/26, 20:43No.25541616

Today, when listening to a random spotify playlist on the shitter, a spanish song came up and as I scrolled down to the lyrics I randomly discovered that the merging of vowels that happens in Latin poetry also happens in spanish, and not only in that song but apparently it is a regular thing with a name (sinalefa) and a wikipedia article and everything.So why have I never heard of it in any of the autistic arguments about Latin pronunciations? You'd think that "well, the 600 million speakers of a romance language all do it naturally, so it is not weird at all and we can check how exactly they're doing it and use that for Latin" would be at least somewhat of an argument? Instead it seems that, even though people will recognize and accept that this is how poetry is supposed to be read, they will not use it for "natural" speech, because it's "too much". Didn't the Bald Man essentially get bullied into redoing his Familia Romana recordings because people were making fun of his "romin italiast"?Anyway, to make the rant into an actual question: if one presents a spaniard with a piece of Vergil and tells them to read it "naturally", or "as if it were spanish", obviously disregarding the vowel lengths etc., but would they get the (numbers of) syllables correctly?

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Anon09/19/26, 20:57No.25541651

don't know about Portuguese for example though, I know e.g ordem is read more like orde

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Anon09/19/26, 21:35No.25541721

when people are reading different things in their own time it's not easy to get a discussion going, especially if most of them have also not read too much literature yet to find overlap between each other and even then, I assume most people here who are into Latin past basics have read Caesar, yet, is he enough to generate a discussion?

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Anon09/19/26, 22:24No.25541836

Finished Pharr's book the other day and someone made an amazing Anki deck for Homeric vocabulary based on Pharr's lessons. Sadly it only went to Lesson 45/77 so I completed it up to Lesson 77. Open for download if anyone finds any use in it, though there are already many great sources for Homeric Greek on Anki. Just thought I'd do my part.https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/622835290

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Anon09/20/26, 00:08No.25542006

How do you know when you're ready to move on from a given logos chapter? Also, is there an extant answer key?

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Anon09/20/26, 00:42No.25542061

Ego legi XII capitulos de LLPSI; Ego possum legere latinam linguam, sed transcribere anglam linguam trans latinam linguam difficilior est. Quam stultus sum? Num me necare habeo?

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Anon09/20/26, 01:33No.25542133

Wheelock’s is so good wtf. I can’t believe I ever trusted the slander. Teachers have to just really suck at teaching for this textbook not to work. Or maybe the only reason it feels so good to me is because I can already read fluently. Either way I think the whole learn to read fluently well enough and then deeply study grammar and write a bunch approach is gonna work out in the long term.

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Anon09/20/26, 01:51No.25542164

>in hoc loco aliquando non memoro qui praepositio "in" regit ablativum casum; de octavo solo salire volo

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