i have decided that the odyssey movie is good now - /lit/

Anonymous07/27/26, 22:37No.25427615

i have decided that the odyssey movie is good now

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Anon07/27/26, 22:40No.25427622

>all my opinions are completely reactionary and have no substance whatsoever. I have no integrity. am I cool and 4chan enough?

Anon07/27/26, 22:41No.25427623

The movie has way more of something to “say” than the poem does

Anon07/27/26, 22:43No.25427627

Not getting the engagement you need to feed your twitter account on /tv/ are we?

Anon07/27/26, 22:46No.25427637

Both suck. Consider an hero.

Anon07/28/26, 00:22No.25427816

Not sure what she means, the movie was based off her translation. It’s embodiment of it. She can’t just decouple from it because it’s in a different medium. Funny she realizes it’s shit though.

Anon07/28/26, 00:44No.25427874

>doesn't know what whitewash means good lord

Anon07/28/26, 00:46No.25427879

It seems obvious that Wilson is a quirk chungus "Oh my Zeus" earnest pagan-respecter and shes hates the film because it's done through a (post-)Christian lens. but neither perspective should satisfy chuds

Anon07/28/26, 00:51No.25427891

She’s just trying to curry favor with historians who find “feminist retellings” absurd on their face. It’s a brilliant strategy. Dont say anything at all until it’s out to milk sales from it before hand and then blast it for credibility on the back end.

Anon07/28/26, 00:51No.25427892

Woah we took this 2000 year old story and instead of showing how people thought and acted differently back then we did a lazy trite good christianized version instead for modern sensibilities. It's trash and you're a goyslave

Anon07/28/26, 00:53No.25427898

Basically they undid the efforts of her translation by framing odysseus as the western colonizer exploring foreign oriental Islands.

Anon07/28/26, 00:54No.25427902

>25427816 >i didnt read the essay >in fact i dont read at all

Anon07/28/26, 01:07No.25427928

>Wilson noted Nolan’s admiration for the opening line of her Odyssey translation: “Tell me about a complicated man” – but added: “I would be ashamed to have written any part of this script.” >“The characters don’t have the kind of depth the Homeric characters have. I felt, ‘Do I really care if this guy gets back to his wife?’ You haven’t given me any reason to.” >“It didn’t land emotionally for me at all. Which I think is partly about the fact that, unlike Homer, it’s not very well written.” >"[Nolan's Odyssey] has nothing convincing to say...it lacks psychological, emotional, political and ethical depth”. >“I had hoped that Nolan’s affinity with these Homeric themes might push him to new creative heights, and enable him to conjure more believable characters. But The Odyssey features his usual combination of grandiosity and superficiality … the film’s vision is too confused, its characters too underdeveloped, to deliver what it half-promises in terms of big ideas – although it is very good at conveying big bangs and big giants.” >“Nolan’s Odyssey lacks many of the elements that make the poem great. It has nothing convincing to say about time, memory, history, war, or about the relationship between one warrior’s glorious return and the lives of his family, adversaries, comrades, friends and neighbours. It lacks psychological, emotional, political and ethical depth. Its narrative structure is gimmicky. The writing is abysmal. None of the characters has convincing motivation for their actions or words. There are no sex scenes, and all the food looks horrible.” >“This epic is bringing audiences back to cinemas … translations of Odyssey, including mine, are flying off the shelves … [and] perhaps the film will persuade a few college administrators not to cut their literature, language and history departments.” >“Nolan is doing his best to get the general public reading again, and I am grateful.” She's mad there aren't any sex scenes and that the food looks bad. Is she GRRM? (No, the picture attached isn't AI).

Anon07/28/26, 02:40No.25428099

She hates it for not being woke enough, give me a break.

Anon07/28/26, 02:47No.25428111

>25428099 >victim

Anon07/28/26, 02:49No.25428121

>Villain teams up with the heroes to take down a greater evil Kino

Anon07/28/26, 03:22No.25428184

I feel like people say Nolan is a great director because they were told he is

Anon07/28/26, 03:41No.25428227

My preferred boards are both /tv/ and /lit/, so this little catfight is especially interesting to me.Both Wilson's translation and Nolan's film adaptaion are modern versions—each mediocre in their own way—released during the same historical period. Leaving aside all considerations of quality (or lack thereof), this direct competition is all that you need to know about in order to understand her displeasure. She is fully aware that the Nolan film is direct competition for her translation. That's all. And even if the Nolan film goes in the same dustbin as other Old Hollywood movies before, the sheer fact that it's a "popular" movie means it has much better odds of being re-evaluated over the years. I suspect that Wilson's translation (which I have not read) may not hold up as well. What we really have here is a fight between two mediocrities in the same territory, and the one has the advantage of a completed film, a strength in mediocrity.It's the same fundamental reason why the South Park guys hate Family Guy. Quality is irrelevant, on either side, except inasmuch as they are comparable, which they are (edgy cartoon shows). What matters is that they're in the same business doing basically the same thing, and are therefore each other's competition.

Anon07/28/26, 05:34No.25428376

>impying any of you retards read or gave a shit about a bunch of homer translations before it became an internet meme topic >implying any of you gave a shit before it became an internet meme topic >implying any of you actually watch movies >implying any of you aren't part of a marketer's bot farm s h i g g y

Anon07/28/26, 09:50No.25428627

Classicists are fucking losers and terrible poets as a whole (see : anne carson). At least Nolan would still have a career without Homer, that bitch is stuck there grifting with her 3rd-rate translation. Both mediocre though.

Anon07/28/26, 10:59No.25428699

I don't even remember that much of sex scenes in the book. In fact i don't even think there's one,only allusions but my memory is probably failing me

Anon07/28/26, 11:55No.25428759

This zeus law thing sounds so retarded. Zeus isn't yahweh he isn't gonna smite you for being a bad boy but Americans are mindraped and can't function without thinking about their angry omnipotent skydaddy . Book 1 has zeus talking about mortals not listening to the gods and just making their situation worse, odysseus is one of the few myth characters who never curses the gods and he always gets his wisdom from Athena. There's nothing more decrepit than projecting a bad consciousness into stories of the past. I want accelerationism to speed up so even these well off retards having a laugh at trashing ancient cultures will finally suffer too. This movie is not the odyssey.

Anon07/28/26, 12:11No.25428787

The movie depicting Odysseus’s men sacking a town against Odysseus’s wishes and his own righteousness in war is an impoverished depiction compared to Nostos: the Return which depicts Odysseus’s dreams of massacring people, or even the more recent The Return with Fiennes as an Odysseus who has come to find killing more familiar than living. The need to sanitize American soldiers has seeped into sanitizing Greek soldiers

Anon07/28/26, 12:23No.25428811

Apologize.

Anon07/28/26, 12:31No.25428829

These movies are all so very boring.

Anon07/28/26, 14:49No.25429069

Just doing the opposite of your enemies is a good rule of thumb.

Anon07/28/26, 14:56No.25429084

I prefer the Wishbone translation myself.

Anon07/28/26, 15:01No.25429095

>bronze age movie >everyone is using steel

Anon07/28/26, 15:18No.25429130

If you hate "The Odyssey," you're siding with a foid. Simple as.

Anon07/28/26, 16:22No.25429241

honestly pretty funny that no matter what Emily Wilson does people will be insane about it. almost like she was cursed by some powerful being

Anon07/28/26, 17:13No.25429357

this is the bitch who crammed her politics into a translation? fuck her, fuck all of them.

Anon07/28/26, 17:32No.25429400

Anon07/28/26, 17:34No.25429406

I have never seen or heard of a movie adaptation of an epic that was good. No movie can capture the scope of an epic.

Anon07/28/26, 18:32No.25429549

I'm just amazed Achilles wasn't a mute paraplegic non binary pansexual with an eating disorder and a harelip.

Anon07/28/26, 18:37No.25429565

Imagine if, before you could simply enjoy a piece of media or even just a random joke, your brain was primed to run it through a cascade of purity tests. Now imagine that these ingrained purity tests are the key kernel of what you've been told constitute "media literacy" and parroting whatever you can to affirm them is what qualifies "critical thinking". Finally, imagine that whenever inconvenient facts are posited, these being impossible to square between the tests and reality itself, the cognitive dissonance, you'll feel but can never recognize, is alleviated by focalizing an ignorance masquerading as righteous indignation and fostered within a protective buffer of snark.This is what it's like to be a member of the libtard/leftoid coalition.

Anon07/28/26, 20:21No.25429911

>Vooral de vertaling van de Brits-Amerikaanse hoogleraar klassieke talen Emily Wilson uit 2017 is ongekend populair, "omdat Nolan die specifiek als inspiratiebron voor de film heeft genoemd". >"Normaal gesproken verkopen we er hooguit een paar per maand, minder dan vijf exemplaren. Nu gaan er wekelijks tientallen over de toonbank", zegt ze.

Anon07/29/26, 01:57No.25430782

I hate women who LARP as academics

Anon07/29/26, 02:49No.25430908

>I'd of A rare English third language? Mayhaps a friendly Chinee be he?

Anon07/29/26, 02:50No.25430913

>ESL doesn't know "I'd of" He failed the test, lol.

Anon07/29/26, 03:35No.25431016

>We know that he drew on things from his own contemporary world, and there is intensive agriculture. Laertes’ farm is intensively farmed. There are people in assemblies now that vote. We know in “The Iliad” there’s a mention of mass warfare, not just chariot or javelin or archery, but massed heavily armed people with spears that would resemble Homer’s own time, with phalanx or what we call hoplite warfare. >Let me just finish then. What do critics get wrong? They criticize Christopher Nolan because there’s not Bronze Age armor, but there isn’t in Homer either. There are just little traces of evidence from the Mycenaean or Bronze Age. They criticize him because of the dialogue. Well, we don’t know. And that’s from a different translation by Emily Wilson. >There are better translations. Richard Lattimore’s is the best. But the dialect in Homer is repetitive and, as I said, formulaic, and it doesn’t approximate what most people are speaking. >So if you’re gonna criticize the colloquial verse of Matt Damon, you have a point in that Homer’s own poem, when people heard it in 750 orally recited, or they read it 100 years later when it was composed or redone with a written text, it would have sounded archaic and not necessarily colloquial. >These are just some of the items that are in the background of Homer’s Odyssey, and to the degree that they frame a film version, or to the degree that a director should work within both the poem and the historic realities in which it was composed, I’ll talk about in a subsequent one of our talks. VDH is based.>Video: https://youtu.be/ykXeDr37b7w >Transcript: https://www.dailysignal.com/2026/07/28/hanson-history-homers-odyssey/

Anon07/29/26, 05:38No.25431187

She's right >our bronze age is collapsing is a real line in the Nolanssey. They're not even in the "bronze age", they're in the "heroic age", and Hesiod never calls them "ages", he calls them RACES because they are physically a different people.

Anon07/29/26, 06:54No.25431269

God I love it when I get to watch fights here.

Anon07/29/26, 10:00No.25431420

Yo Muse, pass the mic, let me spit for the OG, Master of twists, handling business low-key. Sacked the block of Troy, left the city in smoke, Spent ten years on the run 'til his gang was all broke. Peeped a million hoods, learned the rules of the street, Fought for his life, never tasting defeat. Tried to save his squad, keep the homies alive, But the fools were too reckless to ever survive. Jacked the Sun's pack, ate his cows for a meal, So the Big Boss up top put an end to the deal. Daughter of Zeus, stand up and let the track spin, Drop the needle now, let the story begin.

Anon07/29/26, 11:23No.25431495

Can somebody tldr on the movie?

Anon07/29/26, 12:08No.25431539

Nolan took the bits of the odyssey and covered over it with lazy christkek derived ideas. Bravo

Anon07/29/26, 12:11No.25431545

She's clearly jealous that Nolan managed to out-subvert her. This movie pierced directly into the heart of the West, sanitizing its foundational epic and inverting every important theme. It's a tragedy that generations will come to learn who Odysseus is not from the source but through this movie and come to think that Odysseus was cowardly, agnostic, ashamed, and humanistic. It's like a focus group of rich bankers got together and plotted how to perfectly propagandize the Odyssey for their own ends.

Anon07/29/26, 13:48No.25431659

κέκλυτέ μευ πάντές τε θεοὶ πᾶσαί τε θέαιναι, ὄφρ’ εἴπω τά με θυμὸς ἐνὶ στήθεσσι κελεύει. πᾶν τὸ γένος τ' Ἀγγλῶν δότε μοι δόμον Ἄιδος εἴσω δῦναι πρὶν γ' ἔτι μᾶλλον ἀναιδέσιν οὐτιδανοῖς τε θεῖον Ἀοιδὸν ἔπεσσιν ἐφυβρίζωσι μανέντες

Anon07/29/26, 18:44No.25432137

I just saw someone refer to Odysseus as "Ody" in a comment section.

Anon07/30/26, 00:13No.25432837

I have a vague memory of the linear B tablets of Pylos IIRC surviving to us "cooked" so to speak by the final fire that devoured it recounting something like enemy forces piling up