starting to read political philosophy and - /lit/

Anonymous07/20/26, 18:55No.25412982

starting to read political philosophy and finished the communist manifesto. would like to hear your thoughts on it

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Anon07/20/26, 22:22No.25413343

Sorry I don't really read

Anon07/20/26, 22:29No.25413359

Refuted by GCC Islamism. Qatar for example has created a society where there is no possibility of class struggle, as proletariat, bourgeoisie and monarch are united under Islamism. Capitalism is made permanently stable.

Anon07/20/26, 22:33No.25413365

you first haha i’m shy

Anon07/20/26, 22:34No.25413369

Anon07/20/26, 22:50No.25413410

you are the Marxist that posts about this all the time but hasn't read Capital

Anon07/20/26, 22:56No.25413418

Marx had the right diagnosis but wrong prescription. Communism and Capitalism are both failed systems that eventually concentrate most of a country's wealth to a few privileged elite.A third economic option needs to be pursued.

Anon07/20/26, 23:05No.25413443

A fundamentally outdated work, even at the time in which it started to become popular (around the 1870’s). Engels himself admits this in an introduction to the Manifesto in the early 1870’s.I guess it does a half decent job at explaining the general principles of Marx’s conception of historical materialism, but Marx would, in his later work, disagree with things written in the Manifesto, most prominently the idea of the supposed inevitability of “the revolution”. In the aforementioned introduction by Engels, he mentions that he only presents the unaltered text for preservation purposes and nothing else. Read the Principles of Communism by Engels instead.As a primer into communist thought, the Manifesto is no longer truly useful. But then again, communist thought itself is no longer really useful seeing as most western leftoids today are spineless pussies who will never accomplish anything. Make of that what you will.

Anon07/21/26, 00:43No.25413692

Communist Manifesto is minor compared to Kapital. Kapital should be read. CM should be treated like a relic of history. I recommend David Harvey's lectures on Kapital.

Anon07/21/26, 00:45No.25413701

Cliffnotes pamphlet really. It's mainly a call to arms to convey the essentials to rubes and rile them up. Kapital as said is where the real meat is. Also read Critique of Gotha Programme

Anon07/21/26, 08:39No.25414316

"finished the manifesto" damn how long did it take to read 20 pages? off to the good start aren't we? read The Republic

Anon07/21/26, 10:23No.25414420

Paetel's The National Bolshevist Manifesto is more interesting to consider and ponder.

Anon07/21/26, 10:58No.25414480

is correct. The manifesto was written for a specific semi-anarchic brand of revolutionnaries in the 1848 revolutions. It was written quickly without much details.Beyond that the text suffers from the same problem that historical materialism does in marxism. It circonscripts revolutionnary potential to the proletariat and conditions the potential occurence of a revolution on a techno-deterministic reading of history. The marxist dialectic goes along like this : >men organize their labors through relations of production >new technology, techniques or knowledge opens up the possibility of a more rational organization of labor >one class wants to ablish the old relations, another doesn't; this produces class conflict The issue with this is that what seems rational to organize labor is contingent on the given society. In capitalism we judge the potential efficiency gains in relation to how we produce value. As such, technology doesn't by itself transform what is "rational" or not, they can only operate within a given context. What actually changes social organizations is simply social conflict, and not necessarily class conflict over the development of the means of productions.Another thing that Marx accidentally opens up to scrutiny is the claim that only the proletariat has the potential to be a revolutionnary subject. If the proletariat has a historic task, it must be justified either in regards to his own self-interest, or in regards to another external injunction. As it stands, the justification by virtue of interests doesn't work because initiating a revolution is considerably more risky than attempting at getting rich. The more "rational" organization for the proletariat would simply be to minimize economic externalities and extend welfare from capital gains.

Anon07/21/26, 12:08No.25414562

I hate the manifesto because midwits think they have read Marx when they have read the manifesto.

Anon07/21/26, 13:08No.25414660

It’s just propaganda with no arguments, read Capital.

Anon07/21/26, 17:23No.25415139

the labor theory of value is horse shit, because low value tasks like literally shoveling horse shit are very hard labor. communist ideology is a sophist excuse for mass theft. /thread

Anon07/21/26, 18:25No.25415281

Now read picrel

Anon07/21/26, 18:36No.25415295

Shit-tier philosophy

Anon07/21/26, 18:39No.25415298

Now read Capital as Power

Anon07/21/26, 19:20No.25415367

you wasted your time and some braincells

Anon07/21/26, 22:15No.25415715

BRo how the fuck is anyone a communist in 2026 You need to be shot unironically

Anon07/21/26, 22:32No.25415744

I read Chapter 1 of Capital, and it's mostly ok, but I have some criticisms. Labour-time is the unit of value, but there is no evidence to suggest that something that requires 4 times the amount of labour put into it is 4 times the price/exchange value. Labour-time also gets a lot of asterisks to make up for valueless items and rare items not having their exchange-values being proportional with labour-time. Also, price is a social value placed on a commodity by society, not a direct reflection of labour-time.

Anon07/21/26, 22:47No.25415776

I havent been able to get past the first three chapters of Captial as they are painfully dry. However, whenever I open to later sections like those on machinery and industrialization, its so much more interesting and actually insightful. I also read Capitals section on primitive accumulation in a college property rights course and im always amazed by how anti-marxists just gleam over it while sucking capitalism off as natural and just. I really like Marx the historian and journalist.

Anon07/22/26, 11:38No.25416693

its good

Anon07/22/26, 12:12No.25416732

what do i think about communist manifesto? it's bad! it is a piece of shit text. you can feel smugness of the author, how looks down on normal people, yet he displays very narrow view of reality and also language and quality of text is low tier

Anon07/22/26, 12:17No.25416741

I didnt understand like 75% of it. Socialism: Utopian and Scientific is a much better introduction.

Anon07/22/26, 12:23No.25416753

Reading philosophy is a colossal waste of fucking time. Take it from someone that wasted their twenties reading all that bullshit. Stop now. There’s not a single valuable thing I’ve learned in any philosophy book that’s improved my life

Anon07/22/26, 12:58No.25416784

you commie niggers need to read [pic rel]. it's right on your reading comprehension level(a children's book about funny animals) but it contains very profound and very real truth about communism. once you've grown up i highly recommend giving a read of "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. both books are way more entertaining than OPs piece of shit text

Anon07/22/26, 23:45No.25417743

Its good kindling for a fireplace

Anon07/22/26, 23:57No.25417759

The inane ramblings of a man who had never actually worked in his life nor contributed to his community should immediately make his writings on the way of the world and economics null and void. If you unironically think Marx has any real point beyond the base observations a child could see you're a genuine fucking retard. The only communists I could ever accept someone paying attention to are ones that physically worked for something in their life over coasting on what their parents gave them and doing the bare minimum.

Anon07/23/26, 02:18No.25417991

I studied that. My thoughts:>Communist Manifesto starts with a C >There are 26 letters in this alphabet >You have about 23.5 more letters to go and are in way over your head >Just reading a 1-volume medium sized dictionary cover-to-cover hastens the process of completion

Anon07/23/26, 05:57No.25418241

It's amazing. I have met so many blue collar workers who work horribly exhausting jobs and who openly hate communists. All of them are extremely happy with the money they make. The ones who got tired of exhausting themselves at work opened their own businesses and are now immensely successful. I never see communism being pushed by people who actually have worked hard jobs. It's always failed theatre kids or pseuds who dream of escaping their mediocre lives. It's almost comical. Capitalism, for all its flaws, has objectively increased the quality of your lives. If you live in a first world country, you are enjoying the benefits of Capitalism. If you are going to respond to my message and call me an idiot, be sure to thank your capitalist overlords for making access to the internet so easy for you. Have a laptop, computer, or smart phone? Thank your capitalist system for making technology so cheap and for a free market that encourages creative competition. Marx is, at best, a reflection of oppression in his time and, at worst, a loser in the present. Communist China's economic success? Embracing a free market. Soviet Russia's success? Embracing a free market. >But communism wasn't ALLOWED to work! So it's a weak system then. Communist governments actively attempted to sabotage capitalist systems for years and it didn't work. All they have managed to accomplish was making our present populace gay and retarded. Meanwhile, they were unable to sufficiently combat capitalism and the machine they attempted to dismantle now runs their countries. >But what about the poor third world countries? What about them? They were getting ravaged for centuries before capitalism was conceived as a system. There will always be a scarcity of resources and there will always be conflict surrounding them.

Anon07/23/26, 09:41No.25418414

>The most telling refutation of this as of all other philosophical crotchets is practice, namely, experiment and industry. If we are able to prove the correctness of our conception of a natural process by making it ourselves, bringing it into being out of its conditions and making it serve our own purposes into the bargain, then there is an end to the Kantian ungraspable 'thing-in-itself.' F I L T E R E D

Anon07/23/26, 09:50No.25418420

Granted that isn’t covered by the boom you’re reading itself so that’s fair if you literally know nothing about the history of communism

Anon07/23/26, 10:09No.25418437

>all thinking is an epiphenomenon of neurological matter and socioeconomic structures >btw I‘m able to transcend these structures in thought and understand both them and thought itself >communism is the ultimate in human flourishing >btw you have no free will you just do what your brain tells you and the only ‘freedom’ you have is to understand determinism

Anon07/23/26, 12:05No.25418537

>unironically using the term tankie

Anon07/23/26, 20:14No.25419340

It is the ultimate weight loss manual.

Anon07/24/26, 01:13No.25419798

it's quite something when the most important country in the world is mostly unspoken about

Anon07/24/26, 04:44No.25420069

Communism is gay and retarded because when confronted with the problem of having few owners and many workers their genius idea is if we had no owners and only workers, instead of many owners and few workers. Communism is basically you vill own nothing and be happy. The only scenario that might actually not be that bad is if you lived in a tribe, but extrapolating that to the state level turns into a dystopia.

Anon07/24/26, 12:30No.25420532

Any books about why the only successful communist attempts have been brutal totalitarian states and why "real communism has never been tried"?

Anon07/24/26, 14:46No.25420723

You should read Social Contract before reading anything Marx wrote. Marxism is not communism, btw... something you'll understand if you read Social Contract... ... Of course, no one Marx posts sincerely. It's just a sure fire way to get attention on /lit/. /pol/tards understand this and benis bost under commie shitters. In that if in nothing else, the /pol/tard is wholly the intelectual superior of the /lit/izen.

Anon07/24/26, 20:50No.25421244

This is a great web 1.0 site attacking the retardation of “applying” Hegelian logic as in Diamat. The author has a PhD in math and philosophy and is a Marxist who’s been active in far left politics for decades. She has many concrete examples of the mischief it does as well as deep logical analysis of its claims. She even takes on Zizek. And she is completely right, taken out of its proper context dialectic is nothing but the commonplace that things are complex and change; but adherents of Diamat “use” this “method” to pseudoscientifically justify stupid ideas.http://www.anti-dialectics.co.uk/

Anon07/24/26, 22:44No.25421434

>unironic lysenkoist in the big 26 nuke the thread

Anon07/25/26, 02:04No.25421658

In this perspective, the genes evolved way later. Physiologist Denis Noble has described it as the Dancing to the Tune of Life. It is displayed in early development. Through the statistical patterns within the storms, instructions are, again, created de novo. That could not have been specified in the fixed linear strings of DNA. Another wrench in the works has been the discovery that a "gene product" typically undergoes rearrangements before being put to use. DNA on its own does absolutely nothing until activated by the rest of the system. DNA is not a cause in an active sense. >https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/immunology/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2014.00625/fullIn a review in the journal Genetics in 2017, the geneticists Petter Portin and Adam Wilkins question “the utility of the concept of a basic ‘unit of inheritance’ and the belief that genes are autonomous agents.” They show that “the classic molecular definition is obsolete.” The startling implication is that the gene as popularly conceived does not really exist.This is a devastating realization for the ones wishing to build a "pure" racially structured society. There is no purity within any species. They all act within and in response to conditions. This is one of the many ways ideology creeps into science, showing once again to always hold science to the test."Ruthless Criticism of All That Exists"

Anon07/25/26, 02:25No.25421671

reminder that marx is an obvious freemason and europe was far behind north america first empire, tartaria. Washington knew about this and so all that 19th century europe history is just seethe as they tried to play catch up and the great civilization resets were going on. Communism and capitalism are just made up boogeymen and the bible is more relevant then the freemason book. Actually go read schoppenhauer instead of this poop. Schop keeps it 100 compared to that santa claus clown.

Anon07/25/26, 04:00No.25421764

I will say at the very least the Balkans were better under socialismŽIVJELA JUGOSLAVIJA

Anon07/25/26, 12:31No.25422181

Valid criticism of the bourgeoisie but retarded solution

Anon07/26/26, 02:09No.25423531

Somewhere a cummie is evolving into a transtifa pederast. Just check the arrest history of perps in the pacific north qest for further evidence.

Anon07/26/26, 02:43No.25423582

>Predicts the Petite Bourg will die off >Petite Bourg become even more powerful than the Haute Bourg in the 20th centuryAlso the fact that shit like Nazi Germany even happened shows that Marx’s scientific version of history and his dialectics is totally retarded.

Anon07/26/26, 21:28No.25425091

There are three types of cummies. The first is the retard who can't make heads or tails of it and proudly declare a great many things. Their origin is brainwashing and coercion. The next are the cowards. They hold allegiance to the great effort, but having witnesses so many retards of the first order getting BTFO, they have chosen to remain silent to help the cause. The third class are the political class, comprised of intellectual running the brainwashing centers and the jew funding them.There is three stages of communism. The affliction of type 1 communism, the brainwashing centers turn out hideous uncivil troglodyte toads that have no coherent position and will only parrot what the party wants. The progression into type 2 is marked with the metastasizing of this rowdy group into political offices. Type 3, the breadlines. This is the flattening of the hierarchy above. The jew no longer needs the middle men and can directly convince the retards to starve themselves to death.We have complimentary diagnostic procedures to identify the condition and recommend a proper treatment. The first method is by identifying apportioned mass of political cumbags and cumtards. Type 3 contains a tiny council or even single speaker for the party while nearly the entire population are retards while Type 1 is the inverse. The next criteria is the observed behavior of the cowards. You see, type 2 is quickly identified in the cowards do not have to talk and they can go on straight to killing farmers to their hearts desire. This does not distinguish between type 1 and type 3 however, as in a type 3 instances they are afraid to speak and can't take action without facing dire consequences. The next method is found by observing the status of the cummie intellectuals. Are they still alive? It isn't type 3.

Anon07/26/26, 22:21No.25425197

Can someone explain to me how labour time falls when there is more supply of something and why it it is valueless when the item is valueless? I feel like that’s just Marx making exceptions for his theory of value without justifying why those exceptions should exist.

Anon07/27/26, 20:10No.25427302

Post marxist charts

Anon07/28/26, 17:41No.25429429

It's a pretty mediocre entry book honestly because it's oversimplified. I'm surprised people rarely advise the anti-duhring to learn about Marxism given that it exposes the entirety of marxist thought in one 400 page book that's relatively easy to read. >dialectical materialism >historical materialism >economic laws and predictions >communism The manifesto is too broad and general to make an accurate critique of marxism from. Though the international advocacy and predictions have mostly been wrong, it still remains novel in its analysis of history by social relations.

Anon07/29/26, 04:08No.25431075

I’m getting horrific flashbacks to Jordan Peterson circa 2019>I just read the ENTIRE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO last night. Let me tell you Mr Zhi zhek why conmunism is wrong

Anon07/29/26, 15:02No.25431777

If things seem to resemble Marx's predictions, it's because people like Engles, Trostsky, Marcuse etc., were wealthy of capital, and dispensed with their wealth to make Marx's predictions come true. There's no way to tell now what the world would look like absent the appearance of that influence... one thing that is certain however is that, as the United States has migrated away from its original Rousseaun communal structure (investigate changes in the identity paradigm of the average American following the Civil War. Quincy Morris is only ever a Texan, for example) and Lockian capitalism toward a Marxist centrilization, it has become a dumber, fatter, meaner, gayer nation.

Anon07/29/26, 22:23No.25432663

I recommend reading Principles of Communism by Engels instead. The manifesto was basically just a PR pamphlet to sell communism to factory workers, Principles goes into a bit more detail while still being a good introduction. At least it was to me, I didn't know shit about communism before