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Anonymous01/09/26, 23:16No.25006897/clg/ - Classical Languages General
New year edition
>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>24956717
>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw
>Mέγα τὸ ANE·
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg
>Work in progress FAQ
https://rentry dot co/n8nrko
All Classical languages are welcome.
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Anon01/09/26, 23:33No.25006918
any /waka/ niggas here?
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Anon01/09/26, 23:57No.25006963
Can someone redpill me on learning Sanskrit and Pali as someone who has already learned Latin and Greek?
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Anon01/10/26, 00:14No.25006996
the greeks in my mind keep waging war against the romans. as soon as I wake up I hear their bitching. fuck this thread for introducing these two into my mind. fuck you.
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Anon01/10/26, 00:45No.25007053
I am rereading Longus once more, just because the novel offers so much that may not be apparent at first glance. First instance, the novel itself as a “pastoral” linking itself to the sprawling landscapes it describes in the text.>>Pointed verbal echoes support an interpretation of the rural space as a mirror of the text: the narrator wishes that his narrative be a “delightful property” ( ktema terpnon) just as the estate is called a “most beautiful property” ( ktema kalliston). Strikingly, the same verb ( ekponoumai) is used for the labour of the narrator and the work of Philetas on his garden. Longus, it seems, gives a nod here to Theocritus who employs that very word when he refers to the the poet Philetas of Cos. The garden as a combination of nature and art mirrors an art that “imitates and improves upon nature” (553).So it is like a Russian nesting doll. You have the pastoral landscape and you have the pastoral novel above it like a work of art that encapsulates nature. The verbal echoes here are quite clear. Also noticeable is the wolf imagery for sexual deviancy->Gnathon (Jaws) the elderly pederast ie wolf jaws
>Daphnis falling into a wolf trap where he meets Chloe
>Dorco dressed as a wolf to pounce on Chloe
>Lycanion (wolf woman) the prostitute
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Anon01/10/26, 04:43No.25007473
What's the most accurate YouTube recital of the original Iliad to listen to?
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Anon01/11/26, 03:20No.25010066
im finally at the point where i can read greek but fuck me if i ever have to write it or worse, try to speak it. When reading i don't really understand why authors use certain words in places instead of others although i can understand what they are saying. Telling people i can speak ancient greek would be kind of awkward if they ask me to write or say something, although i can translate a piece of text for them, and god help me if a nu-greekoid starts talking nu-greek to me, i would guess i would pick up near 0 of what they say. Anyone else know this feel?
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Anon01/11/26, 04:45No.25010339
>Beyond a couple phrases most people hardly have knowledge of the gospels. Christianity has been all but seperated from common culture today. Hence why many who want to learn Latin have an easier time relating with Cato or Caesar than John or LukeI think that's less true than you make it out to be. Certainly there are more people (Christian or not) who have pre-existing familiarity with the Gospels than have familiar with De Bello Gallico or... De Agri Cultura. But even without pre-existing familiarity, the Vulgate Gospels are good reading material because the style is simpler, more straightforward, and more casual than Caesar. The four Gospels combined are I believe longer than De Bello Gallico, and I think it would be significantly less intimidating for most students to read their way through all four Gospels than to read through the entirety of De Bello Gallico. And while the desire to conquer all Gaul and drive barbarians under the yoke is a timeless message, the Gospels are also full of interesting narratives and discourse in their own way.
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Anon01/11/26, 15:39No.25011142
You do read every day, right?
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Anon01/11/26, 18:58No.25011559
>Why doesn't this sentence work?
>What is this sentence?
OH MY GOD IT'S BECAUSE THE PASSIVE VOICE ALLOWS TWO NOMINATIVES
Fucking hell bro's I'm struggling
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Anon01/11/26, 19:03No.25011572
>learn classical language
>finding untouched untranalsted works is grueling and expensive
If only we had institutions dedicated to preserving knowledge and getting these things into my hands
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Anon01/12/26, 00:46No.25012396
for Hellasbros
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Anon01/12/26, 04:48No.25012902
I know latin fairly well already and I want to perfect it before learning another language, I was wondering what the people here think of the impressions people get from the combination of languages you know, if someone knows latin he might seem like a doctor, scientist, or lawyer but if he learns greek too he turns into a religious studies major
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Anon01/12/26, 14:57No.25013503
My current issue is that I understand the grammar, but it's the vocabulary that's got me. So I can read it, but every second word I need to check up on to make sure I'm right, therefore I can't get into the flow of the language at all. fuk
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Anon01/12/26, 17:19No.25013770
>Have an exam in a week and a half
>Forget basic shit like olim
It's over bros...
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Anon01/12/26, 18:06No.25013854
Will learning Ancient Greek enable me to dunk on Emily Wilson with facts and logic?
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Anon01/13/26, 03:12No.25014935
People will with a straight face tell you to read 5000 pages of some redditor’s readers as “comprehensible input” written in a stilted pastiche of learner’s classical latin but to not read anything written by a Christian even though large chunks of it might be comprehensible within months for an English speaker, and it actually gets you into the habit of dealing with the challenges of authentic texts earlier.
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Anon01/13/26, 05:00No.25015109
I've finally finished the list of readers I've set out to read from the Reddit spreadsheet!
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Anon01/13/26, 21:30No.25016549
I'm surprised how hard it is to find ancient Greek learning books at book stores
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Anon01/14/26, 10:41No.25017825
The criticism that input-alone takes too long is valid in the context of the Latin community because the space is full of dinosaurs who can only imagine using SRS for disconnected vocab out-of-context rather than sample sentences (as people in the Japanese learning space have been doing things for literally 20 years now).As a result, many input-advocates like that “Magistra Hurt” foid advocate massive amounts of input but often say to avoid stuff like Anki, if they even address it at all, even though Latin is really a relatively easy language for English speakers when it comes to comprehension. Many learners would find their beginner readers much easier and quicker to get through, and would find intermediacy much more bearable, if only they mined i+1 sample sentences regularly. 10 sentences mined from input per day for someone who has already completed the core 2,000-odd words in familia romana in theory would get someone up to a total of roughly 5,650 words down in a year, in the form of 3,650 sample sentences reinforcing core constructions regularly. It’s great technology that’s totally underutilized here, and the premade decks that exist are largely inadequate because they are mere vocab lists and not sentence decks (but the best deck is one you build yourself anyways).
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Anon01/14/26, 18:48No.25018570
Has anyone here read it?
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Anon01/15/26, 13:54No.25020527
Non-Latin speaker here:Are there many Latin afluents who could break down any interesting quirks of the language as it relates to farming? For example, it is commonly understood that a good portion of English vernacular relates to shipping and sailing, and I wonder if Latin is the same?
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Anon01/15/26, 15:13No.25020624
Been enjoying Hobbitus Ille although I hardly understand most of the words. Sad that no one has ever translated The Lord of the Rings into Latin. I wouldn't mind it in Anglo-Saxon either. That would be cool.
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Anon01/15/26, 18:30No.25021067
Akkadian doesn't have the verb 'to be'
Lol
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Anon01/15/26, 18:39No.25021100
has a latin or greek learner ever produced something so whimsical and yet incisive as this explanation of the 大学? I think not
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Anon01/15/26, 19:31No.25021295
What the fuck, why is Greek so hard to remember?
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Anon01/16/26, 03:16No.25022424
Hey, lads, going to be starting two groups this Sunday, Greek and Latin. The Greek will be using the JACT course, so Attic pronunciation, and the Latin will be using the Lingua latina course, which has audio material for both classical pronunciation, and Ecclesiastical pronunciation, whichever you prefer, but mutatis mutandis the course material is identical. If you have any questions let me know because I figure we might as well do it hereThere is also a discord if you need resources or something but joining it isn't required to participate
https://discord.gg/XhFGx57VKm
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Anon01/16/26, 11:09No.25022989
I'm learning Latin and I am reaching the end of my textbooks, looking to begin reading actual texts, and I mean actual texts not graded-readerslop. Is Tacitus too much to start with? I'm interested in either reading Germania or the Satyricon, or something else if it would be better. I am not very interested in reading anything by Caesar, and I have already been reading the vulgate.
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Anon01/16/26, 16:08No.25023305
Iulia is so cute, bros.
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Anon01/16/26, 23:16No.25024242
>I would make them all learn English; and then I would let the clever ones learn Latin as an honor, and Greek as a treat.
What did Churchill meant by this?
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Anon01/17/26, 02:57No.25024688
If the letter Η is pronounced like an e, why are words such as ΗΡΟΔΟΤΟΣ anglicized as Herodotus with an h?
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Anon01/17/26, 06:08No.25025042
Any recs for a good Nordic and Gaelic dictionaries?
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Anon01/17/26, 19:59No.25026113
Translation challenge:Easy
Jump higher!
Are you going to ask her?
Many kings have ruled this land.Medium
Dogs like to chase after boars in the woods.
It is said that once upon a time giant bees had enough poison to kill a man.
Would he be willing to take me on his ship, if I were to negotiate for the fee?Hard
The royal archives recount an episode about an expedition sent by our king's chief of commerce into the deeper unexplored parts of the forest next to the sacred mountain in order to prospect possible sources of iron, and, as it turns out, not only was the party never seen again, but scouts sent to check for signs of their whereabouts returned shocked yet unable to explain their state.
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Anon01/17/26, 20:06No.25026130
>Reading Hobbitvs Ille
>Just met Dwalinus
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Anon01/18/26, 00:20No.25026559
Frankly, if someone were to translate LOTR into Latin, and they were some redditor classicist, I would rather it remain untranslated than be butchered by trying to force a Catholic medievalist’s prose into ciceronian periodicals.If they were well versed in patristic and medieval latin on the other hand it has a chance of being peak, only beaten by the original English or perhaps an OE translation if it were made.
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Anon01/18/26, 05:39No.25027140
Hi barbari gentis anglae tacendi et veram discere linguam debent, id est, latinam!
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Anon01/18/26, 05:40No.25027143
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Anon01/18/26, 17:53No.25028150
These ancient greek accent rules go kind of crazy
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Anon01/18/26, 17:53No.25028151
Looking at textbooks in the Mega links above, is there a general consensus on which are best for self-study? A friend and I are looking at the JACT books, but my eye was also caught by Smith & Melluish - no idea which if any are memes &c.
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Anon01/19/26, 00:05No.25028938
reveni a tabernis, amici. diem totum ninxit et adhuc ninguit. non possum cenam calidam exspectare. nivem amo, sed perones mei nivem non amant.
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Anon01/19/26, 17:46No.25030419
licetne mihi sententiam dicere, nam nemo adhuc scripsit? quis cives civisque est?
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Anon01/19/26, 18:26No.25030502
supra 'discere' dicere volui, non 'dicere' dicere
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Anon01/19/26, 19:59No.25030723
my favourite thing about learning cc is being able to read stuff like this, just random memorials to the emperor where the emperor himself corrects how you call yourself lmao (use 臣 instead of 奴才)
for absolute corpus size, Classical Chinese is unmatched. It was the sole written language in China from Shang times (1000bc) to the end of the Qing in 1910 so has almost 3000 years' worth of texts
whereas Latin has less than 1000
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Anon01/21/26, 17:57No.25035422
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Anon01/21/26, 18:16No.25035448
declensions <3
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Anon01/22/26, 15:53No.25037625
Care Jonas:Cum regnum tuum constituisset Praemium Nobelianum Pacis denegare mihi, qui PLUS quam octo bella finirem, iam non de pace tantum cogitare opus esse credo. Cogitatio autem pacis semper praestabit, at nunc quid sit bonum propriumque Civitatibus Foederatis Americae curare possum. Dania terram illam tueri a Russia Sinaque nequit, et qua de causa “ius possessionis” haberent illi? Nulla sunt scripta foedera, navicula tantum olim ibi evenit. At nostrae quoque naves ibi evenerunt. Equidem pro NATO ab origine plus quam omnes feci; nunc autem NATO pro Civitatibus Foederatis Americae aliquid faciat. Orbis terrarum non est tutus nisi nos omnino Groenlandia potimur. Gratias ago tibi.Praesidens Donaldus J. Trumpus.
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Anon01/23/26, 00:45No.25038753
the CC vs Latin corpus thing made me think, did China like the modern west "abandon" its classical counterpart insofar as official usage? how does it work there?
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Anon01/25/26, 00:22No.25042703
*excitat /clg/ clamore Martio*
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Anon01/25/26, 12:48No.25043714
anna's archive down for y'all as well?
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Anon01/25/26, 16:47No.25044123
Did Catilina really sat there for an hour hearing Cicero tell everyone that they should've killed him long ago?
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Anon01/25/26, 20:18No.25044567
anyone else using the CIA method to learn Latin or Greek?
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Anon01/26/26, 00:36No.25045110
τε καί freaks' status: bodied
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5CUiP5oiH0
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Anon01/26/26, 04:20No.25045581
Don't forget to "blanda upp," Quirites, hehehe.
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Anon01/26/26, 10:44No.25046063
Are there any didactic books on HOW to learn a language. I tried Latin and I failed. I tried Koine Greek and I failed. I tried German and I failed. Nothing sticks and it has to be because my method of learning is ineffective.
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Anon01/26/26, 19:51No.25046910
how do you get used to reading texts with no punctuation? including no spaces
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Anon01/26/26, 21:55No.25047196
There was a leading opponent of reading Latin extensively and proponent for grammar-translation who lived in the late 1800s and he confessed that after 40 years of study he found Latin “difficult, very difficult” to read.
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Anon01/27/26, 03:01No.25047983
This paper is interesting (relevant to the discussion ITT) because it givessome concrete details about how (elite) 19th century British students studied classics in school. This table shows these high schoolers (in US terms) spent about 19 classroom hours a week on classics, and then I suppose they were supposed to spend a similar amount of time outside of class with private tutors or studying independently, so they treated it like a full time job.https://tcl.camws.org/sites/default/files/TCL%2012.1%20Keeline%20Final%20Draft.pdfPoint being, if you're not treating Latin or Greek like a full time job over many years, don't grumble if you're not as good as a British schoolboy.
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Anon01/27/26, 13:46No.25048905
>Ὀδύσσειαν πάλιν ἀναγιγνωσκέμεν ἦρξα
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Anon01/27/26, 15:19No.25048988
Are Xenophon's Memorabilia and Plato's Republic good books to read over and over again in order to improve my Greek, or am I going to pick up some bad habits?
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Anon01/27/26, 19:43No.25049491
Anyone doing Syriac here?
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Anon01/27/26, 22:11No.25049819
Has anyone on this thread learned Sanskrit? I am very motivated but don't know how to go about it.
With all the other languages, I would simply read with the help of a dictionary until it "clicked."
But Sanskrit is such a monumental language that I'm sure I'll need a bit more than that.
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Anon01/28/26, 04:39No.25050496
I've read that Latin is easy to pick up as a readable language and won't actually interfere with other tongues you might be learning. Is that correct? I was given a copy of Wheelock's latin and decided to poke around, given I'm currently trying to hammer b2 Norwegian into my skull.
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Anon01/28/26, 19:20No.25051565
Do Latin and Greek usually attract people with autism?
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Anon01/28/26, 22:33No.25051948
we latinists are the most discriminated race, even more than gamers
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Anon01/29/26, 05:35No.25052712
Not sure if this has been asked before, but does anyone have a recording of quantitative meter being recited by someone whose native language has vowel length?