how the hell did the mongols managed to beat the

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Anon08/12/26, 21:33No.65417832

>islamic golden age at the time Fucking goats is a golden age?

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Anon08/12/26, 21:57No.65417921

They were really good at kiting

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Anon08/12/26, 22:06No.65417956

Chinese and arabs are shit at war, always have been, always will be.

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Anon08/12/26, 22:07No.65417959

Ok, let me introduce you to the subject matter of "hitting them when they are down".One of the best examples of this was the short-lived period of "Swedish Baltic Sea Superpower". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_EmpireIn short, a lot of the OTHER, surrounding nations had spend decades in pointless, wasteful wars, while sweden had actually managed to stay out of such wars, had managed to modernize their armies, economy, education system and basically create an effective state management that relied on highly educated, well trained professionals. While everyone else around them was chock full of LITERALLY INBRED royalty, poorly managed statecraft, militaries run by hereditary nobility whose sole accomplisment was "being born to be my dad's son" and NOBODY cared how much this all cost, or how things like "logistics" worked. (I am not joking, European history is full of times when the court nobility ran to like a countryside palace to play masquerade games while the rest of the nation starved. These are things that happened.)So the reason why The Swedish Empire happened was that they had actually managed to create a FUNCTIONAL STATE while pretty much all the rest of the Europe was having... whatever is happening in nepotistic-driven, self-serving and thoroughly corrupted American politics right now. In that situation, the ONE country that actually CAN get shit done, can basicly steam-roll everyone else.There is even a famous quote from a swedish state councillor Axel Oxenstierna, who was too old to attend to some European peace conference, so he had to send his teenager son instead. And while the boy was kinda nerveous as he would be speaking to all these old nobles of the Europe... the dad just told him "My son, if you only knew with how little intelligence this world is governed with!". And when that guy went to those European courts full of old senile, self-centered nobility, he managed to negotiate some AMAZING diplomatic treaties.

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Anon08/12/26, 22:36No.65418073

Force concentration. It takes a long time to rally troops back then so they could just swoop in while a city/nation hadn't raised the peasantry and sack the capitol. Then they killed all the adult males so no risk of revolt.

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Anon08/13/26, 00:59No.65418510

Horse archers are OP as shit

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Anon08/13/26, 05:15No.65419250

>Georgia Anon. Come on now, lmao >especially persia since they were experiencing an islamic golden age The native Persian martial caste was eradicated, quite simply. By the time the Mongols arrived they no longer existed. What wasn't destroyed by the Arabs, was usurped by the Turks. Most of the "Persia" the Mongols conquered was Turkic owned territory. And the Mongols were just meaner, better organized Turks, so it was no big deal to defeat them.

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Anon08/13/26, 05:43No.65419361

>Persia of antiquity conquers everyone >Islamized Persia experiencing a "Golden Age" loses to a few steppe barbarians I think you answered your own question OP.

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Anon08/13/26, 12:31No.65419988

Dude, I have a bachelors in history, and i want to tell you that history is biased, these historians were paid and bribed by the kings and queens.

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Anon08/13/26, 15:09No.65420361

United horse nomads are OP. Note: not horse archers - horse nomads. Well, part of that is how the Mongols were a new power with an iron grip on power and none of the accruments of an old nation eghing them down but >Strategic mobility, can move quickly, create surprise and force local superiority. >Tactical mobility, can easily do flank attacks and just leave the battlefield if they think they can't win. >Noticeably superior mobility-related tactical and operational skills - pincer movements, coordination etc. >Simple logistics. >Might as well be a professional army, since they can fight full time, forever. Feudal Europe wishes they could economically sustain that level of commitment. >Can invade during harvesting season, even a simple raid will weaken the enemy, and you can't do the same back because... >Can't be forced to fight, can just flee into featureless endless steppe. >If they flee it can be a trap because they have the rare discipline required to casually do a feigned retreat. >Very pragmatic, had no pressure to force a fight, their civilized counterparts were often forced into battles they didn't want to fight because they didn't want to look weak in front of their vassals. >Man for man better than other armies. Mongols almost always were outnumbered yet still won.Of note is that time the Hungarians defeated the Golden Horde, the Golden Horde did none of the above.

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Anon08/14/26, 19:54No.65424228

The Mongol Empire, especially by the time of Kublai Khan (Chingiz' grandson), was the prototype of what would become the modern, post-Westphalian nation-state. >mobility warfare of the highest order >mandatory education for boys and girls >postal system >courts where any citizen could be heard >also, drag Chinese siege engineers across the steppes to destroy Persian and Russian cities

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Anon08/14/26, 20:14No.65424261

if this thread is anything like /a/ threads, it's just to about about her ass and how tight it is for her age. had hoped it wouldn't migrate here.

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Anon08/14/26, 20:41No.65424306

hors big fast many

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Anon08/15/26, 18:52No.65426691

Because muds.

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Anon08/15/26, 20:10No.65426908

>golden age the issue is with that phrase, when you hear it so many people get this vidya game image in their head of a massive buff to all fronts of an empire or nation. in reality, it usually refers to a situation in which domestic policies and activities are surging and growing things like academia, sciences, and economics. these things CAN downstream ensure massive military and political advantages, but it does NOT beget them inherently.the islamic golden age was a wonderful time to be a scholar, a scribe, a mathematician. if you were in the ruling body though, it was a great time to get yourself rich, embezzle funds, take bribes, and coast by on sheer size and weight of your military. the mongols military and tactics were perfectly suited to dismantle a weighty, slow military, with lots of hubris. actually a lot of the militaries they beat were weighty, slow, and with a lot of hubris. actually that applies to a lot of the militaries they beat, but conquering most of china gave them the basic framework they ended up implementing all over, which left enough power structures in place to keep things stable, provided a unified set of rules for trade, and also provided a surprising amount of economic freedom to go with it which often meant that the tithes they took were surplus that wasn't possible before their conquest. it also meant the empire itself as a unified body was relatively short lived, but still it was quite the feat for the time.

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Anon08/15/26, 20:37No.65426979

>amer- British actually. The British put down MANY insurgencies through absolute brutality.

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Anon08/16/26, 00:59No.65427577

In the case of Iraq, the king expected God to save him and for the rest of the muslims to come help him.

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Anon08/16/26, 01:28No.65427618

>"Persia" wank God. The propaganda fucking FLOWS right now.

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Anon08/16/26, 18:00No.65429452

horses

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Anon08/17/26, 02:19No.65430690

It's how the Mongols and Tamerlane did it, though Everyone else failed at conquering Afghanistan while they succeeded by stacking skull towers and genociding like 30% of the population, so if that's the only method that ever worked, it's clearly the only good one

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Anon08/18/26, 16:35No.65434338

The Cavalry Archer meta is insanely strong but requires a harsh and demanding lifestyle of riding and shooting all the time from childhood, which steppe cultures tended to lose after conquering a nice soft province.

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Anon08/19/26, 10:49No.65436349

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Anon08/19/26, 11:37No.65436436

>"does gosh darn freedom-hatin eyeraynian ayrabs"

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Anon08/19/26, 16:00No.65436971

But Iran is losing and can't ship the thing their entire economy is based on. Also blaming jinns because their only semi-competent leaders are now compost.

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Anon08/19/26, 17:09No.65437154

You mean autocracy by a small group of administrators "in the name of the workers"? Make like your friends and go to foreversleep.

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Anon08/19/26, 17:32No.65437207

Ibn Khaldun wrote a book that answers your question. Ironically, the book was just a forward to his actual life's work. Worth reading if you're into sociology.

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Anon08/19/26, 18:13No.65437307

Enjoy slavery without the wages lol; you know, actual, literal slavery.

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Anon08/19/26, 18:16No.65437315

The Islamic golden age was during the first decades when they were taking over kingdoms in Europe and asia as if by miracle, God was with them. Calling the the days of abundance and "Muslim" philosophers the Islamic golden age is an orientalist lie, it was one of the worst times. Still, the muslims were the first to give mongols their decisive defeat. After that the Turks took over just like they had done before the mongol invasions. The main difference is Turks weren't le brutal murderers, they actually managed to hold those lands. And of course they're Muslim so that makes some people seethe. Speed and deception.

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Anon08/19/26, 18:37No.65437380

>Don't take on risks and navigate business adventures like a man. Complain about better standards like a woman instead! Get yourself a better daddy figure bro. Business owners provide job opportunities, payed workers spend money and start families, a net win for society even if some restrictions are needed.

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Anon08/19/26, 18:38No.65437384

>Stalin dindu nuffin muffin You're posting ideological ramblings, we're talking about actual, verified historical events and how communism inevitably breaks down. And yet you think we're the ones repeating propaganda?Debunk this: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BaDZsPfr-qM&pp

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Anon08/19/26, 18:53No.65437405

They knew something that is apparently lost knowledge to modern generals: an army marches on its stomach, and if you cut off its ability to eat it becomes far less able to retaliate, be it armed with sticks and stones or ballistic missiles.

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Anon08/19/26, 18:59No.65437421

Do people seriously expect historical and economic, let alone military, knowledge from communists? The most uneducated and gullible people in the world? The ones who constantly, confidently try to walk into machine gun fire or fight Big Cletus because they think quoting Mao or Lenin will protect them?

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Anon08/19/26, 19:08No.65437441

Did Stalin consider the plight of the workers he killed when robbing them?

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Anon08/19/26, 19:12No.65437450

>Have shit loads of horses and the logistical experiance with moving them around enmass seasonally >Shit loads of organized horsemen are *very* translatable to military applications in ancient warfare In that context it's not very surprising that when Horse Nomads really got their shit together every now and again this caused huge problems even for big landed empires. At a very basic tactical level a rando horse nomad with a horse and a bow is a lot more tactically useful than some peasant farmer with a spear.This really only gets upended when you start seeing the mass use of firearms become an essential part of warfare. Mass production of muskets/cannon and black powder to keep them firing is just too much of a centralized industrial endevour for most Horse nomads to keep up in.

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Anon08/19/26, 20:05No.65437595

If you're wondering where the commie went he's seething that he had to dodge a ban and whining about the jannies in another thread.

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Anon08/20/26, 09:39No.65439135

I think the short version is that because the Mongol army was federal, they could use it as a diplomatic card and being so mobile over such a large area, in a way that was curiously similar to the one the Romans, smaller states which were going to lose local wars all invited Mongol invasion to at least break even.

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Anon08/20/26, 17:31No.65439922

Or maybe because it was always a failed experiment that has succeeded nowhere

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Anon08/20/26, 17:38No.65439935

So can you explain why statist communism failed and why no successful nation has kept doing it?

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Anon08/20/26, 18:38No.65440024

How about in literally every other country that attempted Stalinism, what about them? Were all their leaders "poisoned" as well?

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Anon08/20/26, 18:39No.65440027

that's a lot of words just to say "no, communism is weak as shit and gets rekt every time and i'm a retarded faggot" lol.

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Anon08/20/26, 18:40No.65440030

enjoy commie slavery lol. oh wait you can't, because that system is inherently a failure and fucking sucks LMAO.

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Anon08/20/26, 18:42No.65440033

>it said, while literally spamming propaganda images with every post sorry, you got rekt communigger.

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Anon08/20/26, 19:32No.65440120

Because we have gay shit like "rules of engagement" and "war crimes". If we made war as it should be made, there would be no more Arabs.

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Anon08/20/26, 19:46No.65440163

horse archers are really that op and they had a metric fuckton of them.

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Anon08/20/26, 22:18No.65440502

>But the smaller revolutions depended on the backing of a strong core and this strong core was sabatoged from within when Stalin was Poisoned and Kruschev’s clique of revisionists took power by force and started the process of the restoration of capitalism. To engage with you properly, the entire system relying on one (1) dude and collapsing when he dies isn't exactly a stunning endorsement when they had, like, a third or fourth of the planet at one point. If it was actually resilient and strong it could have been fine with that much of the planet.> This is always a threat in a revolution just like Napoleon seizing power from the French. Napoleon is a good example, actually. He bult a system off of the use of force and never developed it off of that, and then it fell apart when force was no longer enough.

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Anon08/20/26, 23:57No.65440638

what the fuck happened to this thread? I was enjoying talking about horse archers?

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Anon08/21/26, 04:16No.65441157

Imagine if having a desolate expanse of useless grassland magically enabled your shithole country to field more tanks than sophisticated super powers That's it, cavalry was just that strong, even the "counters" are cope provided you have the numbers what do you think happens to the pikemen impaling a horse in full gallop with lots of extra weight from the rider and its equipment Does the pike/spear magically stop physics and make the horse stop its momentum and make a dead animation without even breaking your weapons like in video games and american movies? Or does the dying horse keep its energy and crushes your dude and the dude behind him? Having as many cavalry as the enemy has soldiers or more even means you cannot be stopped outside of forts

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Anon08/21/26, 16:54No.65442337

>slide back into thread >communigger is STILL SEETHING lol.

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Anon08/22/26, 00:42No.65443607

It all came together really neatly. Being steppe nomads isn't an iWin button. The Romans, Persia and China routinely dealt with them just fine. Before the Mongolsy steppe nomads were frequently threats, but managed to conquer large, sedentary states a grand total of zero (0) times. At best, they'd take over smally isolated ones (e.g. Bactria), take over parts but fail to conquer the whole thing (China) or be disruptive but not actually conquer shit (everywhere). Nomad states were by their very nature fleeting, prone to breaking up, with ill-disciplined warriors riding off to do their own thing and constant infighting. They never ceased to be annoying because sedentary states didn't have the ability to project power into the steppe long-term, but this ultimately held true vice versa as well, and sedentary states just had way more people. By an order of magnitude or two. This was how things worked for two thousand years. Then Genghis Khan happened. And shit got weird. For some reasony Genghis had the kind of personality that had people who were his peers on the battlefield instead loyally serve him. This led to half a dozen brilliant generals, who under any other circumstances, would've been at each other's throats, working together instead. AT THE SAME TIME, China was split in two, Khwarezmia was basically just the Mongols but worse, Persia's reaources were hardly used because Khwarezmia, the Caliphate was worthless, the Turks despised by the Arabs. A united China, a united middle east, and the Mongols, for all their brilliance, are stopped. Instead, just as the Mongols reached their peak, their neighbours were at their weakest. The Mongols were an incredibly unlikely event whose success was down to Genghis' insane personal charisma and skill, and literally every powerful polity that usually kept nomads in check being out of commission at the time.

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Anon08/22/26, 01:23No.65443706

many mention the mobility aspect of their army, which is a massive advantage. But what isnt mentioned as much is the culture and lifestyle.Imagine a large group of people dependent on herding and hunting for food; cowboys with bows. where 50+% of males regularly move camp over large distances, ride horses, raid other nomads, hunt, find lost herds, drive out other raiders, drive out predators from herds.and their lifestyle is primarily a milk and meat based protein diet.You have a society where 50%+ of the male population train more for war and war adjacent tasks than the average feudal knights and nobles. The primary advantage that landed societies have on nomads is numbers. Yeah, no shit that when the nomads band together and get equal numbers, they beat the living shit out of landed societies, where the vast majority of their armies are peasant levies whose war experience boils down to basic weapons training and marching at best. fortifications are useful up until the horde army gets so big it cant be beaten in the field and they starve your cities and castles.

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Anon08/22/26, 04:14No.65444059

>be mongol >practice ultimate technique >run away. >no one can catch you and if they try hit them with an arrow lol>be mongol >enemy general calculates you will be out of food because no feed for horses or whore train >drink horse-blood straight from the neck, fuck the horse too >can ride for twenty four hours and sleep in the saddle.>be mongol >grainfed retards begging you don't kill their pig. >get idea >sell their pig to the local lord >buy them each a sharp stick and tell them the lord has a pig for each of them. >trample them with your horse if they don't agree>be mongol >cowardly fat reddit king begs for his life >peasants demand he is executed >ask king to give you his paperwork and translators >tfw this guy is retarded my uncle Jochi could do better. >thank the king, execute his family publicly, Unc Jochi marries a local cute noble. >tfw peasants love jochi, >ofc jochi's the best.>be mongol >stole lots of gold because enemies love it >being chased by light calv and out of arrows >oh shit >horse is getting tired >drop the gold >horse is cooked turn to look >pursuers gave up to pick up the useless trinkets you dropped >swap horses and run them down, lol retards.>be mongol >china likes paper money because they are faggots >silk money would at least have value >try to improve lives of chinaman by making his money worth something >chinaman says no, fuck you >steal all of chinaman's gold to buy white girls from poland >tfw modern day russia >ruined by the jews, >tfw modern day persia >ruined by jews and jeets >tfw modern day pakistan >ruined by arabs and jeets >tfw modern day iraq ruined by arabs >modern day ukraine ruined by jews >modern day belarus and poland are ok ig? >turkey ok ig? >koreans will pretend not to be mongols>be mongol >wows it's humid out here >*bow breaks* >guess I go home

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Anon08/22/26, 13:17No.65444825

>How the hell did the mongols managed to beat, the song/jin/georgia/persia. Shit makes no sense, especially persia mohammed II was a genuine retard where it comes to military matters, he intentionally split his forces against the mongols

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Anon08/23/26, 05:37No.65447165

I want to complain.Everyone here is posting solutions or judgements as if any of this shit matters. There was nothing any neighbor of the horse nomads could do but eat shit.From turkey to Beijing the kingdoms were rotten and corrupt, the people were mixed and untrusting, the scholars were more concerned with how many zeros were on their quantitative accounts and the women concerned with which foreign man to bone. Money had been replaced by paper, warriors with disgruntled peasants, walls and infrastructure had been abandoned.You could be Greek, Arab, Indian, Chinese, in every situation the contemporaries of the mongols knew their empires were ready to die.Mongols had a cultural advantage,First because they were not afflicted by the decedent lifestyles of the lands they conquered Second because they had no reason not to execute the local lords.A local might fear a generational turf war if they tried to shakeup the system, the mongols didn't give a shit. And were able to replace the administration with someone who wasn't a parasite.All the horses and bows helped but the mongol's main advantage imo, is that they were not grain fed lord worshipping faggots.The mongols kicked the rotton door in and the whole

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Anon08/23/26, 07:05No.65447320

Looks like Aladdin but if it was Yuri

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Anon08/23/26, 15:49No.65448110

>thread about mongol army >instantly becomes an America bashing thread >some swedecuck is projecting after hijacking the thread >some faggot is posting a ton of pictures of Stalin Fuck this board, every single one of you deserves to die a horrible death

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Anon08/24/26, 05:25No.65450215

what's amazing most of all is that there wasn't one single commander in the entire world who you could confidently say was an equal to the best mongol commandersit's almost as if there is a limited amount of energy in the world to be distributed amongst great people or something

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Anon08/24/26, 13:05No.65450797

"Communism is inevitable which is why there is a new schizo cope explaining why it shit the bed every week"

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Anon08/25/26, 06:40No.65453053

China can't support large equine populations, so it can't support large bodies of cavalry. Mongols usually had at least 4 ponies each. This is also why within a few generations, the Mongols ruling china were more chinese than mongol This is why china kept getting rolled over by nomadic horsemen throughout their historypersia: polygamy the leadership were too busy fucking their harem to lead, hired it out to mogol and turkic mercenaries, who brought in their cousins and then got paid to strangle the leaders in their marriage bed by their second/third wife so she could take over with the turkic mercenary in charge (Turkic nomads saw the mongol hordes and were like, "are you guys hiring?" so the hordes that ran through Persia were numerically more Turkic than Mongol)I can't remember the exact timeframe but at one point there were like three different former rulers of the persian empire wandering around Baghdad as blinded, mutilated, castrated beggars.

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Anon08/25/26, 15:16No.65453546

Horses and lots of them. The entire army was mounted and most mongolians had remounts. Even if they were smaller than European war horses the mongolian horses represented a Massive dedication of resource for each Mongolian.Adding to this was that Temujin managed to beat some discipline into the Mongols for a couple generations and the Mongols could pull off some Fantastic kiting maneuvers.

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Anon08/25/26, 22:49No.65454664

It was made as a one time hit, while expecting will remain in power because no one else going to be around. Burn village, take food, go to next one. Easy for arcade mode conquer. Other empires seek long lăsating civilistion that was weak at mongol one time hit empire

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Anon08/28/26, 09:53No.65460995

Also moving and shooting never goes out of style.

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Anon08/28/26, 10:45No.65461057

Mongolian horseback archers beat out the Korean and Persian horseback archers.

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Anon08/28/26, 14:54No.65461468

Fighting a war on foreign soil with less than overwhelming support from the local populace is going to have “evil and psychotic” results no matter what, you imbecile. This goes double for locales wherein there are major cultural disconnects and historical/theological grievances in the mix. Either win, or don’t.

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Anon08/29/26, 14:19No.65464359

>The Mongol empire itself completely defeated white Europeans in eastern Europe, sacking and raping Kiev in 1240 Kyivan Rus' was a completely irrelevant power in the very deep decline. >and defeated the Polish and German army at the battle of Legnica Poland was at it's weakest because of the feudal fragmentation and Mongols faced only a single Polish duke, also no Germans reinforcements were present. Out of all foreign guest knights only 3 perished, which is important, because it quite literally marks the start of Polish obsession with heavy cavalry - because it did so well when facing Mongols > and the Hungarian army at Mohi Battle Mongols struggled with too. >slaughtering and raping millions in Poland and Hungary and they even sacked Austrian villages and raped everyone in them. And that's just an impotent rage and cope for >Mongols failed to defeat backwards European duchies and kingdom Poland was bunch of undeveloped duchies in civil war, that faced threat from the north (Pagans) and the west (German and Czech interventions). On the east there was an irrelevant shithole of Kyivan Rus', that posed no threat. Mongol invasion was a total surprise, invading from a frontier with 0 fortifications ready, and Poland is flat as a pancake, an ideal scenario for Mongols, yet they still jobbed. The same goes for Hungary, more united, but even less developed. Both did a counterattack and liberated a lot of Kyivan lands, both adapted quickly, and made further and potential Mongol invasion not a threat.

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Anon08/31/26, 21:45No.65471061

>Battle hardened by a ruthless physical environment where winner takes all. >Unification of tribes and elevation of new leaders done so by way of merit, in contrast to the much more fractured and corrupt opponents >physically larger due to diet of extensively just meat and milk, >Entire army is more conducive to large scale coordination and outmaneuvering in a military theater ie largely on horseback, complex orders transmitted orally by way of linguistic coding (basically rapped it) removing the need for being able to read and write (which takes time) >Horse archer kiting means benefits of heavy armor is drastically reduced >Genghis Khan and generals (Subutai) took full advantage of these tactical advantages and his enemies failed to adapt

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Anon09/02/26, 23:36No.65477153

And a Japanese grandfather to you too.

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Anon09/05/26, 08:16No.65483467

the other troops could not afford to feed themselves good food mongols always had raw meat under their pack and yogurt, strengthening the gut biome to battle just as hard wherever they roamed

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Anon09/05/26, 09:02No.65483513

Persia essentially collapsed 1500 years prior, and was only able to expand in the 700s like they did because of Romes rapid decline essentially leaving them free ground, then they stood unopposed in the east and spread thin.

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Anon09/05/26, 17:45No.65484400

This is brainlet thinking you are seeing geopolitics from weapons pov.The eurasian steppe is anomalous in the great scheme of humanity i mean you could say the usa great plains are similar but they had threes and resources and were depopulated when europeans arrived.The eurasian steppe is particular because it's also closer to the north pole and colder hence the tribes living there did two things, animal husbandry, and hunting, this means the land "exhausted" you could not have your god damn horde over it and not destroy all grass, land was also flat with little threes in great parts like mongolia etc, so tribe warfare between horse riding tribes became normal.The mongols were not the most influential effect of this shit in history, the huns and russia are.The Huns basically destroyed classical civilization once they moved west they pushed every tribe that was a pain in the ass for rome for centuries but controllable even more to the west simply put all the great migrations to rome were tribes escaping the huns which were the first mongol tier horde, they became so hated that at the battle of the catalaunian plains Rome historic enemies sided with rome to stop the huns.Russia and it's shilling is just an evolution of these steppe politics just a more evolved one instead of expanding non stop because you do not have defensible borders in a steppe they just put puppet governments around them and destabilize everyone they can outside those borders strategically

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Anon09/05/26, 18:31No.65484496

The mongols manage to take advantage of 2 main things.1) fast horse Archers VS nations that expected field battles2) the fact that many cities just handed over food and hay to them out of fear.If 2 didn't happen the horses would have died fast the moment they left suitable pastures. The amount of grass and water that an army of horses needs is massive.Also back then the middle east was far more green than today.The mongols failed nearly all military operations when they reached jungles or needed to rely on naval power so anytime they had to give up on the horses and archery.

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Anon09/07/26, 02:39No.65488121

One of the things the Mongols got really good at was when the other army started to run away they would drop all their weapons and armor on the ground to run faster but the Mongols would just ride past all that free loot on the ground, chase down the other army and actually put an end to it. Mongols learnt this early it became core lore and made a huge difference. In small engagements this even makes a huge difference.

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Anon09/08/26, 04:52No.65491396

>Best /k/a/his/ thread in years gets brought down by Elgin/zigger dialectic. I'd like to know more about whether it was horse archers, horse nomads, or dumb luck.

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