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Anonymous09/03/26, 19:47No.18669845
Will future historians continue to believe in the Holocaust as they do today?
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Anon09/03/26, 20:09No.18669887
It has been over 80 fucking years. The historiography may change in interpretation, but not on the fundamental facts established since the war's end. No amount false claims about diaries supposedly written in ballpoint pen, or absurd attempts to trace the origins of mass grave photographs to ww2 firebombing results, will change that.
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Anon09/03/26, 20:27No.18669914
Future historians will finally find out why all Jews on Earth collectively stopped having kids for exactly the duration of the conflict, I guess.It's a very odd thing to happen, in any case.
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Anon09/03/26, 20:37No.18669940
Words can't describe for grateful I am that the Judeo Bolshevik knights genocided nazi vermin without mercy and put a stop to the mass murderd of Jewish women and children
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Anon09/03/26, 20:55No.18669964
friendly reminder they have yet to provide Bomes
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Anon09/03/26, 21:01No.18669977
what about 2 million crispied germutt babies in dresden? now that was a real holocaust
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Anon09/03/26, 21:22No.18670017
>The Holocaust was likely an apocryphal amalgamation of multiple ethnic conflicts that occurred throughout the 20th century, similar to how Hitler is generally considered by experts to be some narrative combination of German chancellors.
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Anon09/03/26, 22:15No.18670088
No.https://rumble.com/v72hjmm-pastor-steven-anderson-the-holocaust-hoax-exposed.html
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Anon09/04/26, 01:02No.18670328
there cant be a holocaust if the population is increasing
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Anon09/04/26, 01:26No.18670351
By historians, depends on which institutions persevere, but certainly by the commons. Whereas the glaringly obvious lacking physical evidence for a more typical quick handling (firing squads+mass graves) and the logistical implausibility of how it is attested in current history books, paired with the overly complex nature for the circumstance raise doubts. The nazis description of the Jewish Elites goals, behavioural/tactical methods, presence in institutions, is presient and lines up almost 1:1 with the modern era, which itself being far more public and thus with greater record makes it far harder to deny. The nazis being vindicated through their generally accurate assessments raises their credibilty as a source, in a matter that is already basically anecdotal and thus a matter of belief.
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Anon09/04/26, 01:38No.18670363
Jewish victimhood has been nullified by zionism
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Anon09/04/26, 01:41No.18670367
The world war two conflict is wild, churchill always claimed that germany ought to have appointed another monarch after the first world war
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Anon09/04/26, 10:37No.18670732
fact: only kikes and sub 70 iq mongoloids believe in the holocaust
bonus fact: it's a damn shame it isn't real
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Anon09/04/26, 12:02No.18670832
But these were just surprise trips organized by the German state tourist office.Besides that they gave the foreigners jobs in German factories and sometimes even food.
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Anon09/04/26, 14:04No.18671001
It is quite detestable that it is not legal in europe to deny the event. In principle, it should be legal to deny anything you want, otherwise you could theoretically force people to believe something you made up, at least America has freedom, lol.
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Anon09/04/26, 15:15No.18671117
There's a possible future where historians may need to align to a violent right-wing government installed by the ruling class that's needed to maintain order during the death throes of a broken economic system. "historians" may "believe" whatever they are told to believe in order to survive this era.But yes, they will continue to support whatever hypothesis is best justified by the evidence. This includes the murder of millions of jewish people. It also includes the murder and forced sterilization of many other groups of people. The influence of US history and policy on Nazi ideology will be more openly acknowledged. The reasons behind the willingness of the german ruling class and liberals to allow the nazis to rise to power will also be more widely discussed. How interactions with other imperial/colonial powers on the nazi's decision to start death camps will also be made known.
Crucially, these messages will be taught in schools and will not be allowed to be corrupted by moneyed interests.
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Anon09/04/26, 17:08No.18671322
Nothing will change because deniers don't have any real arguments. No one takes them seriously and never will.
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Anon09/04/26, 17:43No.18671393
There's actually a Soviet report about gassed bodies from some Russian town or region. Maybe from Crimea, I don't remember.
There are testimonies of some German soldiers who saw a gas van there.
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Anon09/04/26, 17:56No.18671439
After the Poles discovered mass graves at Soldau there's little reason to doubt in the official narrative.
Basically: there was a German camp for Poles called Soldau.
In German documents the camp is called a transit camp. There are documents how they used it to "evacuate" Polish elites and mentally ill patients.
After the war some German soldiers testified that the camp was a killing centre for them.
Deniers claimed it was a real transit camp.
In 2020 Poles found 17 tons of ashes in a nearby mass graves.So yeah, they did use code words. Those people were evacuated to mass graves, like Jews in death camps.
Also, a funny coincidence. There's a document about mentally ill patients being deported (liquidated) there, the guys responsible was Sonderkommando Lange. The same people responsible for "deporting" Jews through Chelmno/Kulmhof.
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Anon09/04/26, 18:46No.18671542
Every single person on earth could deny the holocaust and it still wouldn't matter because fags like you only care about shitler not being worshipped as God.
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Anon09/04/26, 19:15No.18671595
>future historians
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Anon09/04/26, 19:27No.18671621
Do you mean believe as in assert it happened? Well that's obviously the case since it's one of the most studied and verified events in human history.But if you mean 'believe' as in 'think the same way,' then they won't.
Historiography always changes, generally how we view the past is in many ways a reflection of how we view today, and a reaction against previous historiographical consensuses.I would suspect in the far future, moving forward 100+ years, the emphasis of the Holocaust being specifically an anti-Jewish thing will diminish.
I imagine as we move forward the whole genocide will be more understood as a broader example of the eugenicism of the Nazi regime, and it's racial worldview.
I definitely think that 22nd century Wikipedia won't call the Holocaust the 'Shoah' and separate it from the other racially/religiously/eugenically-driven mass exterminations by 30-40s Germany
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Anon09/04/26, 19:43No.18671640
Show me the bomes
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Anon09/05/26, 03:47No.18672345
There are enw aerial photos of Auschwitz. Pretty high quality stuff, all the things supposedly missing from the old ones low quality ones are there - holes in the roof, cremation pits outside of Krema V, smoke. Deniers are not interested in truth, they are political agitators willing to lie to convert gullible people into their cause.
It's easier than ever thanks to social media and the general dislike of the Jews (due to actions of Israel, overly liberal attitude of some Western Jewish celebrities, elites and so on).
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Anon09/05/26, 04:01No.18672373
Post one (1) single autopsy of a German civilian killed by the """"Allied firebombing of Dresden"""". Protip: you cannot. Suspicious, no?
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Anon09/05/26, 04:36No.18672416
They possibly wouldn't if you would ever won and rewritten history. But you won't so holocaust history is safe kek.
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Anon09/05/26, 10:28No.18672672
You're actually very ignorant about the topic, there's no reason to even talk about this with you. For example you completely ignored the Soldau evidence which I provided.
You also don't question any actual evidence, just your own very vague interpretation of what happened.Here is another example of your ignorance:
>a continental genocide was able/attempted to be kept secret from the Allies, Vatican, Red Cross, Jewish groups inside German territory etc etc.
It wasn't. By late 1942 people in Poland were aware of this genocide. People realized very fast that Jews deported from the ghettos are being exterminated. By 1943 it was common knowledge in Poland. There are tons of Polish underground newspapers casually mentioning it.
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Anon09/05/26, 14:55No.18672991
>believeI wish we could have a proper thread about this topic without american /pol/tards shitting it up.
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Anon09/05/26, 15:23No.18673048
>>it's afraid
>Kek
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Anon09/05/26, 17:24No.18673241
The simplest explanation of what happened, the one that requires the least incredible claims, is the one that omits claims about 6 million dead and three million gassed in chambers and "gas vans". What happened was typical wartime massacres; many Jews did die (academics not repressed in future for openly discussing this can debate until the end of time how many and how many evacuated out of Poland to the USSR etc etc; its debated how many Germans exactly died in WW2 never mind a much more fluid population likes Jews). Wartime propaganda, post war trials and the Post war political circumstances and popular culture caused the widespread belief in incredible claims of mass gassings.Historians for around two decades after the war didn't touch the "Holocaust" as what the Allies claimed was clearly embarrassing. The Allied narrative from the post-war trials was gathered into the historiography by Hilberg and a few others in the 1960s and any dissenting historian since then has either been directly punished, repressed or sidelined depending on their jurisdiction. There's no mysteries or conspiracy theories necessary.
There's no reason to believe absurd claims about gas chambers as the evidence for them is not proportional to the claims.Eventually, this is what will be believed in future once the political climate shifts. There is already plenty of scepticism about the orthodox story and there always has been since the beginning.
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Anon09/05/26, 20:01No.18673689
youre fuming
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Anon09/06/26, 02:10No.18674288
I'm Lithuanian ultranationalist
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Anon09/06/26, 02:13No.18674294
shut the fuck up, child predator
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Anon09/06/26, 02:14No.18674298
why do you, pedophile?
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Anon09/06/26, 02:15No.18674300
keep your disfigured fat hands away from children, freak
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Anon09/06/26, 02:22No.18674313
shut the fuck, fat child fucker
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Anon09/06/26, 08:05No.18674603
what happened?
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Anon09/06/26, 09:16No.18674637
They will remember it the same way we remember Ghengis Khan's conquests and massacres today, with enough time nobody will really care, German people will have swastika tattoos and rep the Nazis like modern Mongolians rep the Mongolian empire.
Most Jews today barely even care about Hadrian.
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Anon09/06/26, 09:19No.18674640
So maybe they'll give some merit to holocaust denial and not get the knee jerk reactions of today, giving those theories more credibility.
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Anon09/06/26, 09:34No.18674652
There is literally no reason to deny the Holocaust. If you're a Nazi that hates Jews, shouldn't you want the Holocaust to be real? Because the only alternative is the Nazis not living up to any of their promises or antisemitic rhetoric and just having millions of whites die in a war they started for no reason. Why the fuck would anyone die on that hill?
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Anon09/06/26, 23:51No.18675912
History is political. Always has been, always will be. That's what's going to determine what historians can and cannot, and will and will not write about. As time goes on, perhaps the taboos that still exist will gradually lift and historians will be able, at a glacial pace, to begin to examine the source issues.I think the main argument in favor of Holocaust denial was never a positive one, but a negative one: where is the written evidence? As defenders of the current dogma like to point out (inexplicably, given how weak that point is), the Germans kept meticulous records. Most concentration camps have long lists of inmates, inventory ledgers, staff ledgers, building plans, cost estimations for construction projects, et cetera. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find exactly how many kilograms of soap Auschwitz used in 1943. In that light, where is the written evidence of orders for the construction of gas chambers, or the execution by gassing of X number of people?Most historians don't work with "spicy" topics like the Holocaust. They work with 19th century ships' cargo and passenger lists, diplomatic letters, corporate records, transcripts of political debates, newspapers, court records, ancient inscriptions, et cetera. Just as a thought exercise: if the Holocaust was a "non-spicy" topic like that, would you, based on the sum total of available written evidence, dare to come to the same far-reaching conclusions? I think if it wasn't such a politically charged topic, the work of most mainstream scholars of the Holocaust would be considered speculative at best and pseudohistory at worst.
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Anon09/07/26, 00:09No.18675935
No. Rabbi Mizrahi is ahead of the curve on it too.
Shouldn’t the Jews be happy that fewer of them died?
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Anon09/07/26, 01:13No.18676058
The fact that any questioning or criticism of the official narrative was so thoroughly suppressed will actually cause historians to overcorrect in the other direction. In 500 years the prevailing consensus will be that the entire thing was made up and that there weren't even forced labor camps.
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Anon09/07/26, 01:17No.18676065
Of course
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Anon09/07/26, 01:18No.18676067
>this illiterate
What systemic cousin fucking does to a people.
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Anon09/07/26, 01:35No.18676088
If evidence of gas chambers was discovered, we'd never hear the end of it.
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Anon09/07/26, 01:35No.18676089
The idea that a "genocide" or mass slaughter of jewdim in ww2, will remain. It's not extraordinary when one examines history.
The idea that this event was some unique cataclysm that can never happen again and we must swear to a dabbi such to work against it, now, that is dying. Even the nose piercing white girls are anti-semitic now.
Jewish hubris has peaked. The pendulum has shifted
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Anon09/07/26, 02:02No.18676118
I don’t give a fuck about the Holocaust, Israel massacring Palestinians is worse
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Anon09/07/26, 04:25No.18676295
Jews mix with other cultures and peoples? Is this your argument?
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Anon09/07/26, 20:51No.18677559
future historians will know much more about bolshevik atrocities than now
