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Anonymous10/18/25, 13:58No.18084263Help
I think the evidence for christianity is really, really bad and the evidence against it is really strong, but unlike any other (surviving) religion it has a coherent (if uncomfortable and somewhat mystical) view on morality, and-fact I think any intellectually honest rejection of christianity (the only real surviving religion with a savior diety) inevitably leads to either amoralism or anti-natalistic misanthropism. I suppose I could be missing something, perhaps there is a third mystical option... but I doubt it.
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Anon10/18/25, 14:11No.18084292
>inevitably leads to either amoralism or anti-natalistic misanthropism
It doesnt matter what it leads to in my opinion, truth matters the most to me.
The fact that I have to listen to priest lying to me about the afterlife while im paying him makes me sick to my stomach.
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Anon10/18/25, 14:30No.18084346
The Bible was edited. The original Gospel had a parable about the smashing of the Jeets. Where Jesus discussed the virtue is smashing a poo worshiping kind of man from the east.
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Anon10/18/25, 15:05No.18084431
>a smug atheist who thinks you've figured it all out
>muh "evidence against christianity is really strong"
>meanwhile can't even define morality without borrowing from the worldview you're trying to destroy
>"inevitably leads to amoralism or misanthropy"
Lmao, never heard of virtue ethics? Stoicism? Secular humanism? Objective moral values don't need your sky daddy, they just need well-being as a foundation. The real cope is thinking your vague feeling that murder is bad is proof of a mystical realm.
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Anon10/18/25, 15:51No.18084506
Read the gospel and pray about it anon. You can't logic your way into faith. It isn't an intellectual pursuit. Theology is fun after you believe, but belief comes from the heart. Technically it comes from the Father drawing people to his Son (John 6), which could be happening to you right now. Pursue it.
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Anon10/18/25, 19:04No.18084996
Religion isn't about evidence its about faith. If you're trying to convert to Christianity based on premises of epistemological truth then you're already putting the wrong foot forward.
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Anon10/18/25, 19:49No.18085140
I think there's tons of great evidence! What's the general sort of thing you might find persuasive? I bet I know something that matches.And if nothing in particular comes to mind, read this article by J.P. Holding, which I think is some of the strongest historical evidence for Christianity that there is: https://tektonticker.blogspot.com/2022/05/today-i-have-special-guest-piece-by.html
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Anon10/18/25, 20:40No.18085251
I would love to help but I think that morality is really rooted in Greek philosophy. The sermon on the mount is a pretty weird morality. I think Atistotelianism tramples it quite effectively. That said, I don’t think the purpose of religion is morality. Religious beliefs are founded on a conviction that the premises of the religion are true and the religion tells the truth. It is correct not because its founders or adherents are moral but because it’s true. A thief can believe that stealing is immoral. Does it make him any less of a criminal? No. If a thief says that stealing is immoral it makes him a hypocrite but it doesn’t negate the fact that yes, stealing is immoral. Similarly, if Christians say that stealing is a sin, it doesn’t mean that Jesus is the son of god. Will people be immoral without religion? Maybe. But the fear of punishment tempers them. Christians will be afraid of hell after death but non believers will be afraid of suffering and dying in the only life they have - and the uncertainty of the afterlife makes them even more terrified. So I don’t think that absence of Christianity or any religion makes society worse or better. You can see some of the most religious societies suffering ills that atheistic societies have gotten rid of. And that you think that rejection of religion leads to misanthropy is quite telling. It tells us that humanity may need delusions to function harmoniously. If anything, it tells us more about humanity than about those delusions.
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Anon10/18/25, 21:53No.18085489
Christianity played a role in laying part of the brickwork of what we can refer to as modern sense of morality today.
I'm kind of in the same boat as well - I don't believe in the resurrection nor any other supernatural claim but I do believe that the bible and church fathers gave a few, but very correct instructions on how to "interact" with your own "soul" (whatever that means) and how to make sense of what actual humility and responsibility looks like in practice. Obviously, it's not the only source of these "truths" but it is one of the foundations of the culture I was born and raised in, which informed language, which informed how I form my thoughts, which informs how I reason, which informs how I act etc etc etc
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Anon10/18/25, 22:04No.18085521
>Love God and love your neighbor as yourself
>uncomfortable and somewhat mystical
1. Your brain is worthless.
2. You hate God.
3. You are not fooling anyone.
4. Enjoy Hell.
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Anon10/18/25, 22:22No.18085582
>ELI, ELI, LEMA SABACHTHANI!?
Jesus felt just as alone and scared up on that cross as anyone else in his final moments. This quote is likely one that is 100% historical as it doesn't serve the narrative to include a line that contradicts the idea that Jesus planned to die for the greater good. In truth, Jesus was probably a charismatic orator with some revolutionary ideas, like a lot of cult leaders, and genuinely believed the end was near. He bought into his own hype, thought he was the chosen one, only to find himself dying like a common criminal and no one was coming to save him.
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Anon10/18/25, 23:08No.18085715
The rodent you are speaking to has already heard the correct explanation, and decided not to understand it because he thinks in doing so he's discrediting the Bible. In reality, it is just foaming out its own retardation and piling damnation upon its own head.
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Anon10/18/25, 23:15No.18085734
So God creates himself
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Anon10/19/25, 00:25No.18085887
Eusebius wrote about the early church. The people he spoke with would’ve been essentially grandchildren/great granchildren aged to the original apostles. There’s something very interesting about Jesus because if he weren’t real why would people be talking about him for 200 years after his death and why would governments be afraid of him and his followers. The best example I have for the reality of Jesus is in the early church. If he weren’t real there’d be almost nobody wiling to die for believing in him.
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Anon10/19/25, 01:27No.18086034
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
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Anon10/19/25, 01:32No.18086040
Ok, I'll bite. I actually think the historical case for Christianity is very strong.If you assume naturalism/materialism as your prior, then yes I think Christianity is unlikely. But if you assume theism as your prior I think Christianity is very likely (God exists, miracles can happen).First: Christianity stakes its entire claim to truth on the notion that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. This is directly stated in Scripture.1 Corinthians 15:12-19 "But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied."I'm going to be pulling from this article some: https://faculty.som.yale.edu/jameschoi/whychrist/1 Corinthians was written around 55 AD, and the Gospel of Mark around 70 AD. These texts are nearly identical to the original texts, they haven't been significantly altered.I'm going to be quoting from this article some: https://faculty.som.yale.edu/jameschoi/whychrist/
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Anon10/19/25, 05:01No.18086468
Christianity is jewish bullshit.
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Anon10/19/25, 06:28No.18086596
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irkzSjvVp48
>mog atheists and make demons shriek in fear with this one simple trick